Kerry staring at failure in the face

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Registered: 07-05-2003
Kerry staring at failure in the face
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Thu, 07-29-2004 - 11:54pm
As the balloons misfire, Kerry and crew are pictured with fear on their faces..... the first failure of the Kerry campaign.... if he's this terrified of misfiring balloons... what the heck did he look like in combat? http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040730/capt.dnc15907300309.cvn_kerry_dnc159.jpg

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Registered: 04-08-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:03pm
Why's that so bad? When one runs for Commander-in-Chief, one is going to tout their service.

I think it speaks volumes for someone from such a privledged and pampered background would volunteer for combat when he could have avoided it VERY easily.

The slime gets thrown around when people stoop so low as to judge combat wounds on some kind of merit scale.

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Registered: 07-05-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:21pm
John Kerry wants to tout his service record when he percieves it will benefit him, and distance himself from it when it will not....his early attempts at elected office were as an anti-war candidate.

John Kerry also enlisted in the Navy as many did at the time to avoid being drafted into the Army when he ran out of deferments. Kerry did the shortest tour of duty of any swift boat commander (who didn't die). 2 of his 3 purple hearts are contested as self inflicted by either the treating physician or his commanding officer, Kerry refuses to open his record up for 3rd party review as Bush has. The form Kerry needs to fill out is over at swiftvets.org.

Kerry claims he is a war criminal, this too is part of HIS war record. The nature and extent of Kerry's war crimes will be better understood if his military record is fully available and 3rd parties are free to scour it. Kerry understands this, and has prevented such access... we know he's done war crimes as he's admitted it... our conclusion is he doesn't wish the extent of his war crimes to come out in black and white before the election.

Personally I'm not very happy with either candidates record in Vietnam, though I'm not convinced it's relevent... if the two must be compared, then Bush isn't guilty of war crimes but Kerry insists he is... generally I'd vote for a non-self professed war criminal over a self professed war criminal... thus Kerry loses to Bush when comparing records.

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Registered: 05-21-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:25pm
I really don't see you as to trying to drop the subject. I know that many times you have refered to John Kerry as a war criminal. To me that is very hateful words, to any veteran. You still have not answered a crutial question that I have asked.

If or when one of these Iraq soilders decides to run for president in the future, will the same kind of venom be spouted about them? Or will it only be directed to a democratic president hopeful.

You say he has chosed to run on his service, guess what? He has a right to do so. He served during war time.

Please do not quote swiftvets.com again, because I challange you to find out the about the people in this organization and see what kind of boards these people sit on, I challange you to see whom they have supported in the past and present. I look at swiftvets.com just as I look at moveon.org, they BOTH are politically motivated.

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Registered: 03-24-2004
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:29pm

If or when one of these Iraq soilders decides to run for president in the future, will the same kind of venom be spouted about them? Or will it only be directed to a democratic president hopeful>

Dont expect an answer. I have asked truemobile 2 times already if he/she witnessed a best friend killing someone, if he/she would go to the police. It is a very easy question don't you think?

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Registered: 08-31-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:30pm
Agreed!!
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Registered: 05-21-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:31pm
I have a problem when the information is coming from a politically motivated site. Quoting swiftvets.com knowing whom these people have supported in the past and what boards they sit on are a great factor in my thinking that it is not in the best interest of the american public that has motivated them to contribute to this website. Its like saying that moveon.org is not politically motivated...its just laughable.
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Registered: 08-02-2004
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:37pm
Good comment . . . I agree
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Registered: 04-08-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:40pm
That's the closest we've come to agreeing on something yet. Great post.
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Registered: 08-31-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:44pm
The only site I quoted from, or referenced was the one someone put up by snopes. If the information was duplicated, I couldn't tell you. I read and often print out articles that are linked on this board, but I don't put any up myself.

Personally, I don't think it's possible to find a site or much of anything that doesn't have some sort of bias. Even if one doesn't support, as in this case, one particular party, they have personal bias' that will effect how they precieve and judge information. Someone that is morally opposed to war, probably would tend to believe all the Kerry is saying about his commited atrocities, someone that believes that wars are sometimes necessary, might believe that attrocities do happen, but they are sometimes inevitable. Someone that believes that their country can do no wrong, will believe that the attrocities claim is nothing more than a made up lie. So me, I try to look at things as best I can from anothers point of view, which is why I ask questions, to understand where they are coming from, but I can't deny my own personal convictions that lead me to my position. I know that no matter what someone tells me, there are some issues that I will never change on, there are others where I need more information to reach a solid position that won't change the next time someone makes a good point.

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Registered: 07-05-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:44pm
Kerry's record includes his own admission to being a war criminal.

Kerry likes to have his record considered as part of his qualification to office. I consider his war criminal admissions serious enough to disqualify him from elective office. Kerry introduces this, Kerry admits before the nation on a national TV program that he's a war criminal... if Kerry can tell us all on Meet the Press he's a war criminal, don't blame me for remembering his admission.

I do not know of any other self admitted war criminal ever running for President, or dog catcher for that matter.

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