Bush supporters give me a break!

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Registered: 08-02-2004
Bush supporters give me a break!
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Wed, 08-04-2004 - 2:17pm
I have just read through some of the info on the GOP thread and this will be my first time posting a discussion, so here it goes:

I truly feel like whenever I hear a Bush supporter speak, it is like listening to someone with Stolkholm syndrome, THEY ARE COMPLETELY BRAINWASHED!!! I mean, honestly, unless you are living in a cave (without internet, mind you) there is no way that the Bush supporters do not intake the same news that I do.

HE LIED!!! HE LIED!!! Let this serve as a newsflash to anyone who did not know. THERE ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. IF THERE ARE, HIS DAD SUPPLIED THEM. This is something that they were aware of befor the sent us into Iraq. That is unethical manipulation of your position of power.

For those of you who were just about to argue that we went in for "humanitarian" reasons to collapse the tyranical reign of Saddam, let me just halt you in your tracks. Why are we not in any country in Africa, in which there are civil wars, AIDs epidemics, and feminist repression running rampant due to governmental proceedings? Why are we not in China? Why are we not in Palestine (oh wait, I forgot, we are, sponsering their killing by the Israelis)? Becaus they do not benefit us? So what's the deal, we fight for humanity contigent on how much money we gain from it? Give me a break!

I read another posting about how Republicans are frustrated with the Democrats focus on how George Bush cannot speak. A couple interesting points: It worries us that he cannot speak because you'd think that after a couple years at Yale, the University rated number one on the recently released Princenton Review, that he would be able to process a few words. I guess the fact that he graduated with like a D average just does not count. Additionally, I would just like to call to attention the fact that over and over again science has come to the conclusion that the major difference between humans and the animal kingdom is our ability to speak, and our advanced methods of communication which in turn lead to organization and technology, thus the advancement of the human race. If he cannot speak, then he is getting closer and closer to the animal, right?

Finally, on the GOP thread several posters commented on how although Dems were calling them nervous, they were actually unwaveringly confident. Yeah, I would be too if my party had just rigged the last election!!

People, women, get to the polls!!

Let's make it like father, like son, one term!

Lani

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Fri, 08-06-2004 - 5:11pm

The Anfel Campaign was against the Kurds. It had nothing to do with Iran.


The Anfal Campaign Against the Kurds http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4637/terr35a.html


Beginning in April 1987, Operation al-Anfal was designed to bring the Kurdish "problem" to an "ultimate solution." His strategy was designed to create mass evacuations of the Kurdish people from the mountainous regions of Iraq, the destruction of all their villages, and the physical elimination of all Kurdish populations believed hostile to Saddam's regime.


For the Kurdish villages that were too difficult to reach by Al-Majid's troops, he targeted them for chemical weapons attacks. The chemical attacks began at the beginning of the campaign and proved extremely effective.

In June 1987, al-Majid gave orders that a zone encompassing 1,000 villages were to be declared prohibited zones to all humans and animals. To be found in this area meant instant death.

When Operation al-Anfal came to an end in April 1989, ninety percent of the Kurdish villages had been simply obliterated, along with some 20 larger towns. Saddam then ordered his army to plant mines throughout the prohibited area, some 15 million mines. The effectiveness of the campaign resulted in 1.5 million Kurds forced into crude camps. The exact number of people killed is as yet unknown, but al-Majid was said to have protested at the accusation by the Kurds that 182,000 persons were unaccounted for and feared dead. He responded that the Kurds were great exaggerators and that he actually killed no more than 100,000.

Human rights organizations have detailed the vast violations of human rights in Iraq as well as what certainly seems to be mass executions and genocide. And interestingly enough, these horrors are well documented by Iraqi government agencies. This is largely because the Iraqi intelligence service was trained by the East German intelligence service, the Stasi. The Stasi favored detailed records and thus trained the Iraqis to keep such detailed records. Secondly, al-Majid wanted all the documented horrors, including films and photographs, to convince Saddam that their campaign was advancing well. The Kurdish resistance obtained eighteen tons of such records in their 1991 uprising and turned them over to Human Rights Watch.

One incident of Operation al-Anfal became known worldwide. This incident was the chemical bombing of Halabja, a culturally important Kurdish town of some 105,000 near the Iranian border. In March 1988, the Iraqi regime obtained reports that a Kurdish resistance group had taken control of Halabja.

On March 16, following conventional artillery bombardments, the Iraqi air force dropped canisters of mustard gas and a range of nerve agents, probably sarin, tabun and VX. This became the largest chemical weapons attack on civilians in history. Some 5,000 men, women and children died a horrible and agonizing death on that infamous day. Another 10,000 were wounded.






The chemical weapons attack may be largely forgotten by many, but the Kurds will always remember that fateful day. Not only because of the loss of loved ones, but also because of the illnesses that still affect the population. The area of Halabja has an abnormally high rate of illnesses. For example, colon cancer has a rate five times higher in Halabja than a nearby town that was not attacked with the chemical weapons. Miscarriages are 14 times higher, and one doctor has stated that sterility is "at Hiroshima" levels. Survivors of the Halabja attacks are often affected by blindness, chronic lung problems and severe depression. The surviving children of Halabja have various physical and psychological problems, including liver cancer and leukemia.

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 08-06-2004
Fri, 08-06-2004 - 9:49pm
Hmmm...where should I start? Well, let me see...first of all, I don't live in a cave and I DO listen to the news...the news that is led by the democratic party. Only one news channel isn't "bought out" by the dems, and the dems are trying to shut it down! The news YOU and I listen to are biased, they are not objective and fair. But that's how the democrats want it.

As for Bush "knowing" about 9/11, that was Hillary Clinton's entrance into her presidential race for 2008. This was her way of scaring a country that is already walking on eggshells, into voting for a nut-case that can't decide how he'll cover his lies from one day to the next. Every day he comes up with something new. And Michael Moore...it's called "editing" people! Get a clue. Gain a brain. Because if you believe that crap, then you're truly the ones who are brainwashed. Because brainwashed people "make up" stuff; things like your posting here is a perfect example of how little you know, and how much BS you believe.

Regardless if there are weapons of mass destruction or not, Bush is protecting our nation from TERRORISM. Maybe you heard of that? Or are you a believer that Bush was part of that plot as well? If so, I suppose you also believe that the walk on the moon was a fabricated picture taken in a studio at NASA. Bush found a "group" of terrorists that needed to be dismantled: the Taliban. Has he succeeded? Next: al-Qaida. And as we continue to break down that network, the democratic newspapers don't put that on the front page, they wouldn't want us to think that Bush is actually making any progress. But let's put a false war hero on display, who put men's lives in danger. Saddam and bin Laden have been traced as meeting together. Anyone associated with bin Laden is a terrorist, and if you know the background of Saddam, then you'd know he was one, only he terrorized his own people.

And god, oh, please, give me break with the weeping heart democrats who claim that Bush is sending our children off to war to be murdered. Here's one thing you WON'T hear from the democrats: Joining the military is voluntary! Let me spell it out for you: v-o-l-u-n-t-e-e-r. Yes, many who join the service do it for money or college tuition, but they also know that by joining they may have to actually go somewhere and "do" what they are trained to do: fight! They may die. Yes, that's unfortunate, and I truly feel for the parents who have lost their children to war, but guess what? If you don't want your children to go off to war, then discourage them to join the services. That's what I did with my son. I admire and respect the men and women of our troops. They are heroes for putting their lives on the line for not only OUR freedom, but for the hope of freedom from oppression in other countries...namely WOMEN! And those men and women in the service stand behind Bush. It's not easy over there, but damn-it, they know they are fighting to help an oppressed people. They see it first hand. War is never easy, and sorry to burst all of your democratics' bubble, but since the beginning of time, there has always been war. There hasn't been very many (if any) moments in time when there was "world peace".

Oh, and by the way, as for Bush not being able to "speak", as you put, I'd like to see YOU speak in front of an entire nation and actually tell the truth. Hell, when you're an established liar, like Clinton, sure, blowing smoke up everyone's ass and charming us with your witty words and demeanor will always win over the speaking truth, as hard as that is. That's obvious, since we have a large group of fools who would actually vote for a man who is being backed by one of the biggest lying Presidents of our time. A president who literally disgraced our nation just so he could get a little action from an intern. And idiots still stand and applaud him, instead of burying their heads in disgust.

Democrats are democrats for a reason: They don't want to follow the rules, they want to break them all and allow everyone to have a free-for-all. And seeing all the celebrities and rock stars who support Kerry is living proof of that fact. Those people can get away with anything for a price. They don't understand the reality that most of us REALLY are living in. They have their heads in the clouds, luxuries showering down upon them, and live weird, wild, ignorant lives behind gated driveways and an a mindless entourage.

I'm sick to death of democrats whining about rules, and how they want to save the animals and save the forest, but want to kill innocent babies and call it a "choice." You do the deed, you pay the price, and it's not $500 at the abortion clinic. If they don't want children, then democrats screaming for their right to choose should take a lesson in birth control and choose to actually USE IT!

And I cry out to women as well: Kerry and his wife are ruthless liars who will tell us anything we "want" to hear. Bush will tell it like it is, as harsh as it may be. You can count on that!

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Fri, 08-06-2004 - 10:05pm
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Registered: 06-17-2004
Fri, 08-06-2004 - 10:15pm

Welcome to the board!


It sounds like

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Fri, 08-06-2004 - 10:29pm

Hi islandmommy! Welcome to the board!


Renee ~~~

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Registered: 05-12-2004
Sat, 08-07-2004 - 2:55am
There is and was absolutely nothing illegal about the invasion of Iraq.

only because he got them all to sign and you know how he did that, and he did not fulfill his promise to exhaust all other efforts... that is illegal, misrepresentation.

The humanitarian catastrophe was the many children and citizens of Iraq dying due to a despots refusal to comply with international law, the invasion liberated them

I agree that the catastrophe is right there, especially since we do not have any reason to believe that these people wanted to be liberated from anything at all. ONly the US media tells it is so...

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sat, 08-07-2004 - 3:31am
<<"I agree that the catastrophe is right there, especially since we do not have any reason to believe that these people wanted to be liberated from anything at all. ONly the US media tells it is so...">>....what on éarth are you talking about?

Djie

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Sat, 08-07-2004 - 4:04am

Hello Islandmommy03!


Welcome to the board!

Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board

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Registered: 04-18-2004
Sat, 08-07-2004 - 4:11am

Hey Tristinedenise!


Welcome to the board!

Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board

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Registered: 04-08-2003
Sat, 08-07-2004 - 8:58am
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Actually thats

Kerry

Edwards

Cheney

Bush

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And your source for this is: I specifically said PERSONAL wealth for a reason, not to factor in the Heinz fortune.

But i'm open to a credible reporting that says differently from what I said. But Cheney has made much more money than Edwards and Bush has made much more than Kerry.


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