Bush supporters give me a break!

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Registered: 08-02-2004
Bush supporters give me a break!
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Wed, 08-04-2004 - 2:17pm
I have just read through some of the info on the GOP thread and this will be my first time posting a discussion, so here it goes:

I truly feel like whenever I hear a Bush supporter speak, it is like listening to someone with Stolkholm syndrome, THEY ARE COMPLETELY BRAINWASHED!!! I mean, honestly, unless you are living in a cave (without internet, mind you) there is no way that the Bush supporters do not intake the same news that I do.

HE LIED!!! HE LIED!!! Let this serve as a newsflash to anyone who did not know. THERE ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. IF THERE ARE, HIS DAD SUPPLIED THEM. This is something that they were aware of befor the sent us into Iraq. That is unethical manipulation of your position of power.

For those of you who were just about to argue that we went in for "humanitarian" reasons to collapse the tyranical reign of Saddam, let me just halt you in your tracks. Why are we not in any country in Africa, in which there are civil wars, AIDs epidemics, and feminist repression running rampant due to governmental proceedings? Why are we not in China? Why are we not in Palestine (oh wait, I forgot, we are, sponsering their killing by the Israelis)? Becaus they do not benefit us? So what's the deal, we fight for humanity contigent on how much money we gain from it? Give me a break!

I read another posting about how Republicans are frustrated with the Democrats focus on how George Bush cannot speak. A couple interesting points: It worries us that he cannot speak because you'd think that after a couple years at Yale, the University rated number one on the recently released Princenton Review, that he would be able to process a few words. I guess the fact that he graduated with like a D average just does not count. Additionally, I would just like to call to attention the fact that over and over again science has come to the conclusion that the major difference between humans and the animal kingdom is our ability to speak, and our advanced methods of communication which in turn lead to organization and technology, thus the advancement of the human race. If he cannot speak, then he is getting closer and closer to the animal, right?

Finally, on the GOP thread several posters commented on how although Dems were calling them nervous, they were actually unwaveringly confident. Yeah, I would be too if my party had just rigged the last election!!

People, women, get to the polls!!

Let's make it like father, like son, one term!

Lani

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 10:02am
I doubt very many will....especially the ones making all the noise about the tax cuts they got.
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 10:08am
Well Kerry is being hypocritical if he wants to raise taxes on the wealthy, while not volunteering for it when he can.....Gee...that really looks like he is for taxing the wealthy.
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 10:19am
Why has he not started in his own home state, where he could volunteer to pay the highest income tax for his own state?????

Again, Kerry the hypocrite strikes again.

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Registered: 08-31-2003
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 10:31am
But the point here is that Kerry is a champion for the wealthiest Americans paying a much higher tax rate. He had the opportunity to give away that tax cut he didn't think he needed, the same money that he wants to force others to give up, but he didn't do it. That is hypocritical, plain and simple. I challenge anyone that found that their tax cut check is just laying around collecting dust (or interest in the bank), give that money to an agency that needs it. There are plenty of non-for-profits places that would love to have cash to fund their missions. Why is it that the only way to fund agencies is through tax dollars?
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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 11:29am
I agree with you, I don't understand why more people with "money to burn" don't donate to more worthwhile causes - but there's no reason to single out Kerry. What is Bush's record on donation? If he doesn't believe the rich should be taxed more heavily, why not set an example and shell out a little of his family fortune voluntarily?
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 1:53pm
That isn't Bush's position on taxation. That is Kerry's, but it appears that it should apply to everyone but him and his family. That is what is hypocritical.
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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 4:39pm
Any perceived hypocrisy that you can come up with on Kerry's side of the ledge pales in comparison to the name Bush annointed himself with...

...Compassionate Conservative...

now there's hypocrisy worth talking about. We're talking a huge national debt for this Conservative and a preemptive war for the Compassionate. A war which turned out to be a mistake. That trumps anything you could possibly come up with. How about talking about what your guy can do instead of smearing Kerry - pretty hard to do isn't it?

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Registered: 03-31-2003
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 9:34pm
You know...if it's just voluntary, and everyone (ie: Republicans) doesn't have to pay the higher taxes...then I wouldn't do it either. I'd just give my money to charity (like the Tides foundation - but then my husband can never run for president...) rather than think that I'm the chump paying while everyone else is buying big Texas ranches.
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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 10:14pm
Welcome bcmb!

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Registered: 05-12-2004
Thu, 08-12-2004 - 3:37am
My, but you are a defensive one, are you not? Why would you assume that I do not know what your "field" is? Do you assume that I would not be so brazen as to challenge the theories of a person who is educated on the topic we are discussing? Do you think that I am a person who only challenges people that I deem less intelligent or educated than I consider myself? well that woudl surely make life safe, would't it? but not so much fun.

Do you know what MY field is? do you care what my education is? what if I have no education? what if I am in fact, a twelve year old boy posing as a 30 year old mother of two who works as a counselor and takes her dog for evening walks and instead of going out for drinks when the work day is done, checks her e-mail and goes on I-village to argue with strangers. That is always possible you know...

So your area of expertise is linguistics and aquisition, and seems to me to be whatever it is you are talking about at present.

Since you ask the tough questions, Sure I will answer your questions, though you will not answer mine. I cannot figure out why, but I assume only that you are just very intrigued

by me, (and I can't say I blame you there) and so curious to know more that you have simply forgotten that I asked you some questions too.

so here goes,

question number one

Chomsky's view on education, (in a nutshell of course)

Chomsky's ideas of education are those of knowledge, nature, learning, social comprehension and communication the ideas are not all original, but are in argreement for the most part with the educational theory of Maria Montessori, and Piaget. NOw, This is my personal summary of what I have taken from reading on Chomsky on education and learning, not one you will read in a textbook also in combination with The two other influences I have mentioned, I shall regurgitate that to you.

The child is willing and able to learn, ready and requires the individual challenge of comprehension, testing and application to general situations or specific incidence. For example, a child learns the word "hello" He first needs to learn to pronounce and say it with some degree of confidence, then he needs to say it to a person, and after that he needs to try it out in situations where he might not normally use it, such as in mid conversation, or to try it inappropriately. Then he either obtains approval or disapproval and uses the new knowledge accordingly. This differs from the traditional style of learn, memorize, test, and recall. Bla bla bla.. are you really interested in what my take is, you will only call it simplistic or insult it one way or another, when really, I think it makes you look bad, not me. anyway, I will continue.

Before Chomsky it was very common for schools and parents to keep thier children immersed in only one lauguage here in the states despite what we knew about European cultures teaching their kids many languages all at once. It was thought that teachign a child a second language at a young age was a bad deal they would get very confused. Chomsky studied age of speech aquisition and found that all aorund the world, there was a specific age for learning to speak a language without an accent. He wrote about it and though not amny schools argue this, second languages are not tyupically offered at the correct time in a hcilds life, Most schools begin to offer foriegn language at the very earliest in middle school, when it is in most cases too late to fully learn to make all the necesssary sounds. Montessori schools, however begin to teach second languages a a very young age, and offer immersion courses for the youngest of children two or three years old.

Ok that answered two questions, but though our public schools are behind in this, I feel that bringing this into more communities is very revolutionary.

another thing you said was "You are mistaken if you think the American Revolution had anything to do with anarchy. It was about self-governance not the absence of government. Anarchy is antithetical to everything the founders believed"

I read what I wrote, and yes, I can see why you think I was saying that Early Americans were anarchistic. but alas, It was not what I meant. I meant that America supported the right to be an anarchist, not that all Americans wanted that but it was that way for awhile, and the need for government was apparent. The general idea was for a less intrusive government, how can you get less intrusive than none at all? It does not go against what Ameericaas founders believed, it does not hit the nail on the head, but it is not so far off as you should know, seeing as they tried it on for size.

I disagree with Chomsky on that exactly. I think we need some type of government and I believe also that it is possible to make new sounds when you are old. It is just really really hard and darned near impossible to implement in aq conversational setting. like the gutteral sound in the french word tres. so there is your mystery unveiled.

Maybe I am a socialist. Maybe CHomsky is not. You dont need to know what I am, for all practical purposes, I am somebody for you to put down. that is all. It does not matter what I am, so long as I disagree with you. And to be honest, I have a lot of beliefs and when I put them all together I do not fit under any catergory. I still have a lot to learn, and there are things I am unsure of. You see I will not choose to define myself so that I can stop learning new things, and testing my own theories. I am young, and I hope I never think I know it all about anything. It would be depressing to wake up and have nothing left to learn. so, yes and no and noyb to your question all at once.

Am I qualified to judge, is your last question, and If I am then why not you? well, no, I am not a judge, but I can state an opinion, and hopefully I am not going around stating my opinions as if they are fact. I think that makes all the difference, and you, being a person with knowledge in the field of language, would know all about that.

last of all, If someone you deem a crackpot can win a seat in his field like Noam Chomsky has, then why on God's green earth would you being in the field issue you any type of merit whatsoever?

I would be interestd to know what your position is in your field? I am capable of reading your past posts, but I do not see a thing about that, and you have entered no personal info on your profile.

and as for your forgiveness, well, that was never asked for. so why offer it as if it were something I should desire?

If I were sensitive I would feel as if I were under attack...


















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