Bush supporters give me a break!

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Registered: 08-02-2004
Bush supporters give me a break!
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Wed, 08-04-2004 - 2:17pm
I have just read through some of the info on the GOP thread and this will be my first time posting a discussion, so here it goes:

I truly feel like whenever I hear a Bush supporter speak, it is like listening to someone with Stolkholm syndrome, THEY ARE COMPLETELY BRAINWASHED!!! I mean, honestly, unless you are living in a cave (without internet, mind you) there is no way that the Bush supporters do not intake the same news that I do.

HE LIED!!! HE LIED!!! Let this serve as a newsflash to anyone who did not know. THERE ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. IF THERE ARE, HIS DAD SUPPLIED THEM. This is something that they were aware of befor the sent us into Iraq. That is unethical manipulation of your position of power.

For those of you who were just about to argue that we went in for "humanitarian" reasons to collapse the tyranical reign of Saddam, let me just halt you in your tracks. Why are we not in any country in Africa, in which there are civil wars, AIDs epidemics, and feminist repression running rampant due to governmental proceedings? Why are we not in China? Why are we not in Palestine (oh wait, I forgot, we are, sponsering their killing by the Israelis)? Becaus they do not benefit us? So what's the deal, we fight for humanity contigent on how much money we gain from it? Give me a break!

I read another posting about how Republicans are frustrated with the Democrats focus on how George Bush cannot speak. A couple interesting points: It worries us that he cannot speak because you'd think that after a couple years at Yale, the University rated number one on the recently released Princenton Review, that he would be able to process a few words. I guess the fact that he graduated with like a D average just does not count. Additionally, I would just like to call to attention the fact that over and over again science has come to the conclusion that the major difference between humans and the animal kingdom is our ability to speak, and our advanced methods of communication which in turn lead to organization and technology, thus the advancement of the human race. If he cannot speak, then he is getting closer and closer to the animal, right?

Finally, on the GOP thread several posters commented on how although Dems were calling them nervous, they were actually unwaveringly confident. Yeah, I would be too if my party had just rigged the last election!!

People, women, get to the polls!!

Let's make it like father, like son, one term!

Lani

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2004
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:24pm
If you don't like what I post or discuss, don't read it.

Free country, free speach, that is what we are defending in this stupid war is it not?

Furthermore, some of your GOP posters site info from the DEM thread, so please don't be a hyporcrite in my discussion.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-05-2003
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:26pm
Err no,

Gore was sucessful in having valid ballots of us military abroad tossed out, his lawyers convinced a court that a postal cancellation was required, however a signature of a designated officer is also permitted according to the UCMJ. Even with valid ballots tossed to the detriment of Bush, Gore lost anyway. Gore sought and had valid military ballots rejected... which is another reason those in the military have issue with Democrats generally.

Err no, a majority of the popular vote is not how we decide our President... when we created our legislature it was 2 houses, a Senate which represents all states as equal before all other states, and a house which represents the people of the states based on population with the states. The electoral college combines the two, and grants geographic and regional significance to the states beyond their mere population... this is not an accident, and is intentional... it is not a mistake... it works quite well :-)

Democrats do not press this issue as they understand that 2/3's of the states won't slit their throats and disempower themselves with respect to presidential selection.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-08-2003
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:26pm
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I understand the electoral college and its orginal purpose, but as an American who wants my democracy, It has clearly become obsolete.

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I don't know if I want New York and California making my vote obsolete.

Also, the state I live in is now a swing state! Virginia, can you believe that? Virginia conservatives are sticklers for fiscal reponsibility i guess. Right now, the state is statisically tied, with bush enjoying a lead within the margin of error. I don't put much stock in head to head polls but I find this pretty extraordinary.

No way Kerry is going win Virginia, but making it close can have an effect elsewhere I suppose.


iVillage Member
Registered: 04-03-2003
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:28pm
In *THIS* case the electoral college was obsolete? LOL! Sorry, but either it's obsolete, *period*, or it's still valid and of importance. You cannot legitimately and objectively judge something of this nature obsolete simply because your guy didn't win under those rules.

"Additionally, how can we not be considered a rogue nation when we bomb whoever we want for whatever fabricated reason we choose?"

Some would consider us as such, but we still operate in general terms under the rule of law, even arguably in international circles. That differentiates us from countries such as Iraq under Hussein. Another difference is that we were talking about WMD's, which we have not used outside of WWII. Iraq used them not only on Iranian troops, but on Iraqi citizens as well.

~mark~

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2004
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:30pm
Israel and Palestine are the in the same land fighting over the same country. You beef up on histroy and you would know that the US confiscated Palestinean land and handed it over to the Jewish people after WWII, another wonderful action of US foreign policy.

Please try to stay focused on this one, if we are enforcing against Iraq for these reasons, why not other countries that are in similar violations of UN policy?

Through all that hot air you still have not answered my orginal question.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2004
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:32pm
Oh, yeah, just so you know, it was suicide bombers in 9/11, from the Middle East. For your own geographic knowledge, they are not necessarily our next door neighbors.

And they did not walk here either, so I don't know what you were planning on saying but . . .

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-17-2004
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:32pm
I agree completely. If anyone wants to debate a specific subject mentioned in one of those threads, there already threads on nearly every topic and new ones can be created on any subject without referring to comments which were made on a

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 04-18-2004
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:34pm

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Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-18-2004
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:36pm
Thank you, Renee.

Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-03-2003
Thu, 08-05-2004 - 2:38pm
"Is this that abstract of a concept?"

Not really, but it's also not the way such things are decided in our presidential elections. As another poster and I both noted, the E.C. is the method chosen by the Founders to prevent populace states from having too much influence on the election to the detriment of smaller states.

"I understand the electoral college and its orginal purpose, but as an American who wants my democracy, It has clearly become obsolete."

Sorry, but it's not clear at all. That it didn't allow for Gore to win the 2000 election and you don't like that fact is not an objective indicator of obsolescence, it merely means that Gore didn't win in that case, that the popular vote and E.C. votes didn't end the same. It's happened before. But in any event, the E.C. still serves the purpose it was designed for, and it is still a valuable process/system.

~mark~

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