Just A General Idea

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Registered: 08-09-2004
Just A General Idea
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Tue, 08-10-2004 - 1:25pm
I was just curious on everyones opinion on this up coming election. I personally want Kerry to win, cause all around, I dont agree or like Bush one bit. C'mon now, call me naive but was it completely neccesary to start the whole war in Iraq? I understand Sudam is a murding pysco dictator, but how come the families in America have to suffer because of that. Why is our economy so horrible that the people who desperatly need jobs cant get them, our oil is so exspensive and the lives of our americans are being killed because of this war. I know, the army and navy and all that military go in knowing they are risking their lives for us, and i greatly apperciate, just as any other american would, but is it neccesary. Im not one to be against war, but i deffiantly am against a war that is unneeded. And 9/11 in my opinion was handled soooo inappropriatly. Bush put that school and the lives in it in danger, he didnt act the moment he found out of America being under attack, whats up with that? Do we really want the person who is leading our country to be some kind of fool like Bush? We all need to vote and vote for Kerry or Nader. Just vote for anyone thats not Bush.

But enough of my opinion. I am really interested in reading and hearing alot of your opinions, Bush supporters or not. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

-jessica

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Registered: 02-16-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 1:25pm
"Maybe you should say, then, that we saw the greatest GDP growth, during the third quarter of 2003, in 20+ years. Instead you conclude that this growth means we have the "strongest economy in 20+ years." I don't think one, specific statistic can show whether or not the whole economy is strong or weak."

Actually, this is not my conclusion, it is the conclusion of many people who spend their lives studying and interpreting data like this. They are basing that statement on much, much more than one specific statistic. The GDP percentages are determined after studying a whole host of different factors, such as growth in consumer spending, production, company sales, company profits, etc. etc. The comment defining 2003-2004 as the strongest economy in 20+ years is based on more than the GDP, anyway.

And you're right - Clinton did have better overall job growth than Bush. Using the Household survey for both, there was an average of 1,407,875 jobs created each year (1992-2000) of the Clinton administration. Bush's average (for 2001-2003) is 925,333. If Bush gets four more years, we'll see how his eight years measures up to Clinton's.

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 1:58pm
Welcome to the board jickyj!

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iVillage Member
Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 2:03pm

Don't the liberals want higher fuel costs to save the spotted tail ruby breasted Northwestern swamp beetle?

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 5:14pm


Cute as your example is - at least you show the liberals trying to save something.

Bush has led our nation to war. He bombed a soverign nation. He alienated all of our allies and made us the subject of scorn. He has ordered the killings of innocent men, women and children. He has ordered our troops into combat to be killed in a war that was a Mistake. He has created a world situation that is a hothouse for the proliferation of terrorists.

Too bad HE didn't become a birdwatcher.

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Registered: 05-27-2003
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 9:10pm
I don't live in the rest of the world I live here so over $2.00 a gallon is a lot. Yes they are volunteers my child included; however the president on many occasions said the Iraqi people would welcome us. There is a difference between creating a panic and taking control. Please don't assume to tell me what a proper sense of perspective is. You know what happens when people assume.
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Registered: 05-21-2003
Thu, 08-12-2004 - 10:31am
I don't think that debating weather of not another country pays more for gas is pointless. We are talking about here in the US.

When we talk about our economy today, energy prices have to be a refelection of what is to come. If oil prices don't fall, and continues to be high we are in grave danger of a economic stall. All you have to do is listen to the companies that have been reporting there earnings. Things looked great, they are meeting and beating there numbers, but they are guiding lower in the future qtrs. Now there are two reasons for this. The first being Higher Engery cost, and second the small rise in interest rates. You talk about job growth, well guess what these jobs are not growing. Companies are not hiring (big Corp., not retail, or temp agenices) because of the two factors above. Company inventories are starting to build up again (same thing happened before the big buble burst of 2001). I'm trying to point this out because if energy prices do not come down we can be in for some very rough times again, or for some, rough times continuing.

The price of oil has a huge possiblily of going to 50 a barrel. Even with the Saudi's announcing that they have the capacity to output an add. 1.3 bil a day as early as Sept.(I don't believe they do), oil continues to rise. If this happens not only do the average consumer pay more, but so do the big corp., and when energy starts eating into our operating expenses it can and will have a huge negative effect on this economy.

It is my belief that Saudi's have had no effect on the oil markets because we have enough oil to meet the demand. It is my belief that oil is so high because of our refinery's and because the threat of terrorism. The refineries are old and they can't refine crude fast enough, to meet the demand. We need to start investing, in updating our refineries, so we can have some relief for the future.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Fri, 08-13-2004 - 10:45pm
I have visited countries around the world, and lived in two that pay more than double what we pay in gas prices, so we as Americans are spoiled and should consider ourselved lucky.

From all of the accounts I saw, when our troops went into Iraq, they WERE greeted by the citizens with open arms, flowers, etc. Please understand the difference between the citizens and the insurgents.

I guess you are of the group that believe that 7 minutes would have prevented 9/11.....pathetic argument here.

I also live in a country where every President that I have lived through has had an agenda....Every President does what he feels is right for the country. It may not always work out that way but that is what they do.

I wish there were a viable alternative to George Bush, but since John Kerry cannot decide if he is for what he is against, then Bush will be my vote.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Fri, 08-13-2004 - 10:47pm
Again, we as Americans are spoiled with our cheap fuel costs, and we waste what we have, so it is partly your fault as well as the rest of us.

The Iraqi's did welcome us with open arms and flowers, or did you just block out those images from the begining of the war???

Yes, we know what happens when one assumes, do you???????????

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Fri, 08-13-2004 - 10:54pm
With regards to the economy, you should check your facts, because we are experiencing the greatest economic growth this country has seen since Ronald Reagan.

Also, while 2.7 million jobs were lost during the Bush Presidency, so far just over 2 million have been created. If it were not for 9/11, I would presume that Bush would have a net increase in jobs, as the economic recovery began in July of 2001, after stalling in mid 2000.

During Clinton's terms we also now see that many major corporations were cooking their books, and lying to investors. We lived through the Tech sector boom, and the dot.com bust, which lost over 1 million jobs in a 1 year period, when 8 of every 10 dot.com companies founded in the late 1990's went under.

With regards to Kerry's energy plan, he wants to rely on Solar Power, while he is also for cleaning our air. I guess Kerry was too lazy to read the fact that the creation of the solar panels needed for solar energy is over 3 times as polluting and toxic as coal or oil fuel.

The only thing that we seem to agree on is that there really is not a good choice for President.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Fri, 08-13-2004 - 10:56pm
Good point. The Household Survey figures use a number of 325,000 to show significant growth, so I guess there has been significant growth for some time with the current administration, but you will never read about this in the NYT or LA Times.