Kerry and some of his Senate record...

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-05-2003
Kerry and some of his Senate record...
48
Wed, 08-11-2004 - 8:14pm
To take the spotlight off Vietnam, hows this...

The case against Kerry can be viewew with the video at http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/080304v1.wmv for those who prefer not to read.

Kerry quotes

"I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war." (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Democrat National Convention, Boston, MA, 7/29/04)

"I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq ..." - John Kerry, 7/29/02 Remarks at the 2002 DLC National Conversation, NY (Senator John Kerry, Speech To The 2002 DLC National Conversation, New York, NY, 7/29/02)

If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement ..." - Sen. John Kerry, Op-Ed The New York Times 9/6/02 (Sen. John Kerry, Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times, 9/6/02)

"I would disagree with John McCain that it’s the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it’s what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that - that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (CBS’ "Face The Nation," 9/15/02)


"... Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991." - John Kerry, 7/29/02 Remarks at the 2002 DLC National Conversation, NY (Senator John Kerry, Speech To The 2002 DLC National Conversation, New York, NY, 7/29/02)

"...even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act." - Sen. John Kerry, Op-Ed The New York Times 9/6/02 (Sen. John Kerry, Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times, 9/6/02)

"But the president, as I also wrote in that article, always reserves the right to act unilaterally protect the interests of our country." (MSNBC’s "Hardball," 9/17/02)


"t is something that we know-for instance, Saddam Hussein has used weapons of mass destruction against his own people, and there is some evidence of their efforts to try to secure these kinds of weapons and even test them." (CBS’ "Face The Nation," 9/23/01)

"He (Saddam) is and has acted like a terrorist, and he has engaged in activities that are unacceptable." (Fox News’ "The O’Reilly Factor," 12/11/01)

" think we ought to put the heat on Saddam Hussein. I’ve said that for a number of years, Bill. I criticized the Clinton administration for backing off of the inspections, when Ambassador Butler was giving us strong evidence that we needed to continue. I think we need to put the pressure on, no matter what the evidence is about September 11 ..." (Fox News’ "The O’Reilly Factor," 12/11/01)

"I think we clearly have to keep the pressure on terrorism globally. This doesn’t end with Afghanistan by any imagination. And I think the president has made that clear. I think we have made that clear. Terrorism is a global menace. It’s a scourge. And it is absolutely vital that we continue, for instance, Saddam Hussein." (CNN’s "Larry King Live," 12/14/01)

MSNBC’S CHRIS MATTHEWS: "Do you think that the problem we have with Iraq is real and it can be reduced to a diplomatic problem? Can-can we get this guy to accept inspections of those weapons of mass destruction potentially and get past a possible war with him?" (MSNBC’s "Hardball," 2/5/02)

KERRY: "Outside chance, Chris. Could it be done? The answer is yes. But he would view himself only as buying time and playing a game, in my judgment. Do we have to go through that process? The answer is yes. We’re precisely doing that. And I think that’s what Colin Powell did today." (MSNBC’s "Hardball," 2/5/02)

"And I think we’ve all reached a judgment that obviously the United States has to protect our national security interests. And we have to do what we think is right." (Fox News’ "The O’Reilly Factor," 5/22/02)


LOS ANGELES TIMES’ DOYLE McMANUS: "If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?" (CBS’ "Face The Nation," 9/14/03)

KERRY: "I don’t think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think could give the American people a sense that they’re on the right track. There’s a way to do this properly. But I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the job." (CBS’ "Face The Nation," 9/14/03)

Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan Security & Reconstruction (S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay)


KERRY: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it ..." (Glen Johnson, "Kerry Blasts Bush On Protecting Troops," The Boston Globe, 3/17/04)

KERRY: "I think there is a disconnect between the depth of the threat that Saddam Hussein presents to the world and what we are at the moment talking about doing. ... hen we have to be prepared to go the full distance, which is to do everything possible to disrupt his regime and to encourage the forces of democracy." (ABC’s "This Week," 2/22/98)

ABC’S COKIE ROBERTS: "And does that mean ground troops in Iraq?" (ABC’s "This Week," 2/22/98)

KERRY: "I am personally prepared, if that’s what it meant." (ABC’s "This Week," 2/22/98)

KERRY: "e can rebuild both chemical and biological. And every indication is, because of his deception and duplicity in the past, he will seek to do that. So we will not eliminate the problem for ourselves or for the rest of the world with a bombing attack." (ABC’s "This Week," 2/22/98)

KERRY: " believe he is the kind of threat that has been described. I believe that in the post-Cold War period this issue of proliferation, particularly in the hands of Saddam Hussein, is critical. It has implications for a Qaddafi, for a Sudan, for other countries in the world in the future." (ABC’s "This Week," 2/22/98)

GEORGE WILL: "Senator Kerry, you’re way ahead of the commander in chief in this regard." (ABC’s "This Week," 2/22/98)

KERRY: "I am way ahead of the commander in chief, and I’m probably way ahead of my colleagues and certainly of much of the country. But I believe this. I believe that he has used these weapons before. He has invaded another country. He views himself as a modern-day Nebuchadnezzar. He wants to continue to play the uniting critical role in that part of the world. And I think we have to stand up to that." (ABC’s "This Week," 2/22/98)

History of Kerry and Gulf War's 1 & 2

Voted against the Iraq war 1 ...

After that he was for the Iraq war 2 ...

He voted for the Iraq war 2 ...

Then he was against the Iraq war 2 ...

Before he voted against funding the Iraq war 2 he was for funding ...

Then he voted against funding.


CBS’ DAN RATHER: "(You) Voted for the war, but now didn’t vote for the money to finance the war." (CBS’ "Evening News," 7/21/04)

KERRY: "That’s not a flip-flop. That’s not a flip-flop." (CBS’ "Evening News," 7/21/04)


iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 3:09pm
Are you certain about your facts that Bush knew about the first plane before entering the school?

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 3:31pm
I did not read all of this thread but I have also heard that he was told about the first plane before entering the school and that he murmured something about the person being a bad pilot. Then I read he was told that we were under attack once the second plane hit. I'm not sure if it is true but I did read that.
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 3:37pm
-- He voted to give Bush authorization for war, as a last resort

Wrong. He voted for the resolution authorizing the use of military force. There were no conditions in this resolution.

-- He DID NOT say Bush did the right thing, that's a bold faced lie.

Wrong again. http://www.fcnp.com/423/whitehouse.htm

"He now agrees it was the right decision to go into Iraq," Bush gloated at a rally in Florida where he appeared with Sen. John McCain. "After months of questioning my motives and my credibility, Sen. Kerry agrees with me that, even though we have not found the stockpile of weapons we all believe were there, knowing everything we know today, he would have voted to go into Iraq...I want to thank Sen. Kerry for clearing that up."

"Kerry has apparently shifted his emphasis on Iraq from a flawed rationale for launching the invasion to a poor handling of the post-invasion developments. By so doing, in the minds of many eager to support him this November, he's betrayed a critical matter of principle that energized his powerful remarks at the Democratic National Convention only two weeks ago."

"Now comes President Bush on Tuesday crowing that suddenly Sen. Kerry has "seen the light," and despite no weapons of mass destruction, despite no link of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, despite no imminent threat of Iraqi aggression, he's concurred that the invasion was the right thing. "

(by the way...the same information was in the NY Post about 10 days ago as well).

-- He voted for the money for the troops

Wrong. There was only one vote on the item, and Sen Kerry from MA's vote: NAY.


iVillage Member
Registered: 08-15-2004
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 4:21pm
The Federal Aviation Administration alerted NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector in Rome, N.Y., at 8:40 a.m. EDT that American Airlines Flight 11 had been hijacked after taking off from Boston en route to Los Angeles. At 8:43 a.m., the FAA notified NORAD that United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles had also been hijacked.

At 8:46, Flight 11 hit the WTC.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-wtc-jets0919.story

GENERAL MYERS: "I can answer that. At the time of the first impact on the World Trade Center, we stood up our crisis action team....After that, we started getting regular notifications through NORAD, FAA to NORAD, on other flights that we were worried about." September 13th, before the Senate Armed Services Committee

NORAD knew by 8:46 that two planes had been hijacked and one had hit the WTC. By 8:56 Flight 77 was known to be lost and according to many reports, was known by the Pentagon NMCC. According to Myers own testimony that the crisis action team was up and running, the Pentagon very likely knew. All this going on and the President DIDN'T KNOW??? And has never once made an issue of the fact that he wasn't told, if he wasn't??? This is an acceptable Commander in Chief to you?

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-15-2004
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 4:33pm
Are you serious? You use Bush's lies to justify what you claim Kerry said?? Holy criminy.

Yes there WERE conditions on that resolution. Diplomatic and peaceful means would not lead to enforcement of UN resolutions, which means the continuing of inspections under 1441 which WAS happening. OR to protect the security of the United States and we were clearly under no threat in March 2003. Nobody even thought that then. Bush named this little excursion "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and he certainly never had the authority to use force to "liberate Iraqis". Bogus war from start to finish.

In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, and

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-07-2004
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 4:47pm
I also heard Bush knew about the first plane before entering the school. Apparently at that point, Bush & staff were thinking it was an accident.

Kerry is also a pilot BTW, & his first thought when hearing about the first plane was that it was NOT an accident. Good weather, clear day, must have been deliberate. I'll take Kerry. No, he wasn't in a coma, he was stunned, but did not have the authority to take any immediate action, so he stayed with his equally stunned colleagues.

No one can guarantee that he wouldn't have done more than Bush. We can all speculate, but no one can say with total certianty what Kerry would have done if he were in office. My speculation is that he would not have picked up MY PET GOAT. He would not have stayed in the classroom. He would not have BEEN IN THE CLASSROOM, he would have known something was going on & he wouldn't have entered the classroom. Regardless, if he had been in the school, he wouldn't have stopped for photos. He would have been using the presidents traveling secure line phone, he would have been taking immediate action to gather info himself, talking to NORAD himself, etc.

I'll take Kerry, thanks anyhow.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-15-2004
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 4:52pm
"Wrong. There was only one vote on the item, and Sen Kerry from MA's vote: NAY."

There were numerous amendments to this bill including more oversight in spending, separating the reconstruction contracting from military spending, oil revenues, loans, loan forgiveness, a bunch of stuff. Bush said he'd veto the bill if Congress put anything in it that would take the financial burden off American taxpayers. So much for Congress having full authority to allocate money for war.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2004
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 5:16pm
OH, that sounds good, I'll take Kerry too, with a side of John Edwards! ;)
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-31-2003
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 5:42pm
I saw that too...That's one of the reasons Hardball is such a great show. Mathews has little patience for BS. He really tore that guy a new one, and with good reason!
iVillage Member
Registered: 07-05-2003
Tue, 08-17-2004 - 6:15pm
allianor wrote - "Kerry is also a pilot BTW, & his first thought when hearing about the first plane was that it was NOT an accident. Good weather, clear day, must have been deliberate. I'll take Kerry. No, he wasn't in a coma, he was stunned, but did not have the authority to take any immediate action, so he stayed with his equally stunned colleagues."

No, Kerry could have taken advantage of having an intuition if what he claims was true (which I doubt) and instead of going into coma and messing his pants could have worked with Democratic leadership to begin voluntary evacuation of the building. Kerry & friends could have agreed to coordinate with Republican leadership regarding emergency management issues... Kerry & crew could have contacted staff even in Boston and elsewhere and suggested they depart for their own safety, perhaps even issuing an early relase to any political worker of the Congress who was afraid, had relatives in an attacked area or who whiched to assist an area which was attacked.

Instad coma... yeah, you'll take Kerry.... good luck!