What will you do if Bush wins?

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Registered: 08-20-2004
What will you do if Bush wins?
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Fri, 08-20-2004 - 12:02pm
I would like to know what you all will do if Bush wins? I don't know if I can handle another 4 years. Any ideas of how to reclaim our country and restore democracy and freedom? I'm worried that another 4 years will increase the authoritariansm and absolute power that Bush has come to claim and further trample on our constitution and individual liberties. I'm truly frightened.

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Registered: 08-29-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 1:33pm
Thank you for expressing what I was also thinking ... it's disconcerting to have to jump past several welcomes just to follow the conversation thread.

An interesting observation - I, personally, have not yet been welcomed to the board, but I am not surprised as I am definitely anti-Bush.

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 1:40pm
Seems to me, that you are trying to hijack a thread about Bush being re-elected, and turn it into your podium for your pro-life positions. You are pro-life, I and others are on the side of a womans right to choose. Additionally, do not feel the church and pro-lifers who are a part of that church structure for the most part ought to be trying to legislate morality...even God sees the wisdom in allowing us freedom of choice, so lets leave the issue of abortion where it belongs....between a woman and her God.

While were at it, so that I do not pull any punches, I also endorse the right of gay and bisexual people to be married and have the full rights under the law that those in a committed long term marriage in this country recieve. Why should a lesbian who stays home to raise the family and make a house a home be denied the right to her working partners Social Security benefits? Most marriages in this nation are civil ceremonies, not church weddings....if the religious right wants to keep a gay couple from being married in a church, I am fine with that, but keeping them from getting married before a justice of the peace is just wrong. Perhaps Christians and the church would have a stronger leg to stand on in claiming marriage is sacred if A) the divorce rate were not above 50 percent, and B) if the Catholic Church has not turned granting annulments into a big business generating millions of dollars a year into the church coffures. Your milage may vary, but that is my slant on the issue.

Oh, and in case I forgot to mention it, I would support the legalization of pot in America as well.

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 1:45pm
Dear JBM:

Yes, find some 30 plus WELCOMES very distracting. Especially in a thread of such magnitude as this one. There as been a lot of good serious discussion going on, and when you suddenly have to click past not one or two, but seven or eight welcomes it is overly redundant. If the CL feels the need to welcome everyone, why not A) have a thread just for issuing welcomes, or B) occassionally say hello in a thread to numerous people in one post instead of dedicating one post to each separate individual.

Like you, I am anti-Bush, because I feel the record of his term speaks loud and clear that we need a change in leadership, but I did get a welcome that I was not overly in need of here.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 1:48pm
I don't think that you read and fully understood what you read. Someone like those mothers who have a nervous breakdown and do something to hurt thier children had nothing to do with the fact that is stated below. I bet those women planned those pregnancies and welcomed them when they happened. Do you know any differently????? I bet you don't. That article clearly stated the facts. If you read all the way to the bottom you would realized that you are wrong. Stop reaching. There are lots of children waiting to be adopted yes but there are hundreds of families looking for those children. There are also hundreds of families waiting to adopt children with disabilities. So do you research. Also, go to www.abortionfacts.com and read about euthanasia. All those children with disabilities, who could have been aborted by thier mothers are so thankful that they are alive. So don't try that excuse.

I’ve been told that aborting unwanted babies would leave more wanted ones and, therefore, there would be less child abuse.

Exactly the opposite has happened. In New York City during the ’60s, the number of abused children had averaged about 5,000 cases a year. Abortion was legalized in 1970. By 1975, over 25,000 cases were reported. The figures for the entire U.S. are:

Date Total Number

1973 167,000

1979 711,142

1993 1,057,255

1996 1,220,000

U.S. Dept. H.H.S., Nat. Center of Child Abuse,Child Maltreatment 259

Canada’s statistics show the same:

Year Abortions Child Abuse

1971 16,172 422

1978 38,782 1,762

1994 104,403 30,366*

Child Welfare Branch, Ministry of Human Resource, Ontario, Canada *These are the totals reported from all provinces except PEI and includes physical,sexual,and emotional abuse. Note that provinces vary in definition of "child abuse" and reporting requirements.

Ohio reported 27,248 cases in 1981 and 65,965 in 1985, a 142% increase according to a survey by the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee on Children, Families and Youth for the largest state increase. The same survey reported over a 55% increase nationwide from 1981 to 1985. Assoc. Press, March 3, 1987.

D r. Phillip Ney, Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Christ Church, New Zealand, while still at the University of British Columbia, published a widely read study of this. His analysis clearly pointed to the fact that abortion (and its acceptance of the violence of killing the unborn) lowered a parent’s psychic resistance to violence and abuse of the born. P. Ney, "Relationship Between Abortion & Child Abuse," Canada Jour. Psychiatry, vol. 24, 1979, pp. 610-620

A nation and its people will ultimately be judged not by the fact that there are unwanted ones among them, but by what is done for them.

Are They Cared For?

or

Are They Killed?



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Registered: 08-29-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 1:55pm
Dear iv_mysticdreamer ... like you, I did not need (or want) a personal welcome to the forum - just stating an observation. I appreciate & relate to your posts & look forward to more as the debate continues.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 2:12pm

If the individual welcomes bother you two so much, then why

Djie

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Registered: 04-18-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 2:26pm

Hi dreadpiratemina!


Welcome to the board!

Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 2:28pm
Thanks JBM....been an interesting thread for the most part without all the hate and name calling that to often seems to frequent these kinds of threads.
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Registered: 04-18-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 2:29pm

OH!

Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 2:30pm
Like I said, stop trying to hijack this thread of messages and turn it into a debate on the pro-choice matters in this country. You want to go have a baby, that should be your choice, someone else wants and abortion, it should be their choice, and between them and God....like the bumper sticker says, keep your hands and your laws OFF OF MY BODY.

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