What will you do if Bush wins?

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Registered: 08-20-2004
What will you do if Bush wins?
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Fri, 08-20-2004 - 12:02pm
I would like to know what you all will do if Bush wins? I don't know if I can handle another 4 years. Any ideas of how to reclaim our country and restore democracy and freedom? I'm worried that another 4 years will increase the authoritariansm and absolute power that Bush has come to claim and further trample on our constitution and individual liberties. I'm truly frightened.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 8:56pm
***even God sees the wisdom in allowing us freedom of choice,

You obviously have no idea who God is if you think he supports abortion. Remember the Ten Commandments? Thou shall not kill.

Abortion has slowly crept into the world of religion promoted as both a Biblically backed and logically moral act. Entire denominations now embrace abortion as an appropriate choice both in the eyes of God and their church leaders. More liberal denominations support abortion as morally correct in all situations while others like to limit their moral blessing to abortions done only before the point of viability. In either case, the decision to illegitimately claim God’s blessing on the act of abortion is both immoral and heretical.

The ultimate authority and word from God is found in the Bible and is used by both sides to claim the moral high ground. In articles dotting the Internet there are people claiming the verses popular to the Christian Pro-Life movement such as Jeremiah 1:4-5 and Psalm 139:13-16 are either taken out of context or actually support the Pro-Abortion stance. It is the smaller detail of the many verses that the critics will miss; that God’s view of life starts well before birth.


For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-16).

Yet You brought me out of the womb; You made me trust in You even at my mother's breast. From birth I was cast upon You; from my mother's womb You have been my God (Psalm 22:9-10).

Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers? (Job 31:15).

Know that the LORD is God. It is He who made us, and we are His; we are His people, the sheep of His pasture (Psalm 100:3)

This is what the LORD says--He who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you … (Isaiah 44:2).

And now the LORD says--he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength (Isaiah 49:5).

The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:4-5)

In these verses it is brought directly to the reader that God’s view of life begins before birth. Psalm 22 shows the beginning of our relationship starting before birth. In Psalm 139 the verses specifically show our relationship with God before birth as He formed us and had already planned our days to come. Jeremiah 1 again emphasizes God’s relationship with an unborn child and Isaiah 44 comforts with the picture of God’s faithfulness during the formation before birth. God does not look at our lives from birth to death; He views us from conception onward.

These passages certainly contain separate contexts and were meant for differing audiences, but it is with their diversity that the strength of the argument is made. There is not just one verse in one situation that mentions God’s view of human life to include the before birth stage; there are many verses in many situations. The Pro-Life view stands directly on the Truth as shown through the Bible; God’s view is that life begins before birth.

We do not need to decide when life begins, but accept what God has already shown, that life begins before birth. It is impossible to take a life before birth and be justified. The beliefs and ethics of God are not situational and do not provide the exceptions. Life always begins before birth in the eyes of God even if rape, incest, or other sinful acts conceived the baby. It is only as our human self-centeredness grows that we look for exceptions or man-based rules to govern when we can take a life of a baby.

Christians must understand that supporting abortion is opposed to God and his righteousness. We must not allow the heretical views of the world a place to seep into our individual beliefs or the churches that we attend. Taking a stand on abortion in your church is easy; you have God and the Bible on your side.


**Oh, and in case I forgot to mention it, I would support the legalization of pot in America as well.

All I have to say is, NO WONDER!!!!!

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Registered: 08-29-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 8:59pm
I'm not scared, I'm TERIFIED. The man scares the @#%#^&^%& out of me.

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Registered: 08-29-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:13pm
Who licked all the red off your candy?
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:18pm
Well, to each their own, but from my point of view, having a constant flow of dribble in the middle of an important thread seems a needless interuption and distraction, but your milage may vary.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:24pm
Not trying to silence her at all...if she would like to start a thread on the Pro-Choice verse Pro-Life issues, be more than happy to join in. However, that particular issue is one of the devious means by which George Bush has managed so successfully to divide this nation. Say what you will good or bad about Reagan, but he never wore his religious beliefs on his sleeve, and never made it seem as if it was us (those who think they have high religious values) and them (those of us that are more tolerant of alternative life choices and styles). Bush instead not only wears his religion on his sleeve, but has and does routinely wear religion as a battle garb, and arrogantly proclaims that if you are not with us, you are somehow less American. Though a successful debating tactic, it is not a very appealing personal trait in a president, and far from being and endearing quality likely to help in his claim of being a uniter.
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:28pm
Your jalopy seems to have veered onto a dirt path. You don't get to determine where the road goes, much as you'd like to. If the cl wants to greet posters, what's it to you? Just don't read those posts.
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Registered: 08-29-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:29pm
How dare you be so smug? What do you really know. Tell me about the single mother who was hit by a drunk driver and unable to work for over a year. She couldn't walk without help, had to have multiple surgries, was blind in both eyes for three months and in another eye for another three months. Was she unmotivated to improve herself? Do you think she cried herself to sleep every night because her children were hungery? I know for a fact, that she wanted to improve! How? That woman was my mother. You have no idead the physical pain and emotional pain she went through.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:32pm

Djie

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Registered: 08-29-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:34pm
YOU LACK COURAGE. You have posted but will not accept e-mail.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:40pm
Your wanting her to start another thread, comes across as "go away". Fact is, that she responded like she did to the issue brought up by a Kerry supporter. Why didn't you address thát person for raising the issue?

Djie

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