What will you do if Bush wins?

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Registered: 08-20-2004
What will you do if Bush wins?
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Fri, 08-20-2004 - 12:02pm
I would like to know what you all will do if Bush wins? I don't know if I can handle another 4 years. Any ideas of how to reclaim our country and restore democracy and freedom? I'm worried that another 4 years will increase the authoritariansm and absolute power that Bush has come to claim and further trample on our constitution and individual liberties. I'm truly frightened.

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:47pm
Shaking my head....find it rather sad that one with such obvious intellectual prowess has nothing better to do than leaf her way through the bible searching for passages that she percieves support her personal beliefs and choices to cast judgement upon others for their own life choices. Seems to me that I recall a simple lesson from when I was about five years old attending Bible School Classes that says something about let yea who is without sin cast the first stone.

In America, you are free to live your life as you choose, you are free to hold near and dear to your heart and practice whatever religious practices and beliefs you might have. You are not though allowed to legislate morality...that makes you no better than the Fundamental Islamic Zealots who have decided to wage a war of terrorism against any and all who do not hold the same self beliefs as they and their version of Allah do.

Perfect example is the two French journalist who were kidnapped this weekend, and the demand that was delivered to the French government that to save these two men the government must revoke the recently passed law that forbides the wearing of head scarfs in school. You and others in your passion to visit your beliefs on others are verging on that very same fanatical insanity that brings us genocidal events such as those taking place in the Sudan and to a lesser degree in Iraq.

We are all supposed to be allowed the right to embrace and practice a religious belief that works for us. My sins, my walk through this life is between me and my God, and on judgement day, I and everyone else will supposedly have our moment of reckoning before that holy one. However, while here on earth, he/she gives me freewill to make my own decisions, my own choices in how I live my life. I noticed you conveniently failed to address that part of my post in your diatribe, but then most of your ilk always do choose to ignore that small glitch in your reasoning...you cannot escape the reality that God does give us free choice, and you cannot escape the reality that here in America, you are free to practice your beliefs, but you are not free to attempt to force those beliefs into becoming the law of the land.

Pro-choice is exactly that...one can actually be pro-life, and still be pro-choice, as allowing people to make their own choices in how they live their lives, in how they treat their bodies is their very personal private choices. Would I want a child seeded from my loins to be born into this world...absolutely, but alas my wife is not able to have children, so not a joy we will know. I have some reservations in regards to men not having some say in the birth or abortion of what eventually would be a human life, but I would and will defend to the death a womans right to make her own choices, as that is as God intended it to be.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:50pm

......this must be post 7, you are almost even!

Djie

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Registered: 07-18-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:55pm
I'll be very upset if Bush wins again. I honestly don't see how anyone in their right mind would want to vote for him! To me, it's just so obvious. He lied to us about going to war. Homeland security is no better than it was before 9/11. He only cares about the wealthy. Thousands of people have lost jobs and health insurance. He's a draft dodger who's trying to make a war hero look bad. And those are just for starters!

We'll be in very bad shape if he gets re-elected. Most of the world already hates us as it is!

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Registered: 04-11-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:57pm
I work with an elderly lady who is well past the age of retirement. She has worked all of her life, and sadly she will probably have to work til the day she dies. She has tens of thousands of dollars in doctor bills that she is paying on, she is on expensive medications that she could probably get cheaper from Canada if she was allowed. She has to rely on the generosity of coworkers to get to and from work because her car broke down and she can't afford to get it fixed,(and we do it gladly without charging her a dime for gas). She doesn't even make enough money to buy groceries for the whole month. How has the system worked for her? How is she being greedy? She deserves to retire and enjoy the remaining years of her life just like everybody else.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 9:59pm
Oh...so you want to deny the ethnic cleansing now taking place in the Sudan, and in parts of Iraq as it veers ever closer to a civil war fought on ethnic and cultural lines with our troops caught square in the middle of it all.

The middle class here in America, last time I looked, was also a cultural group with very distinct identifiable chacteristics as well, and Bush has and is doing a very fine job of practicing (from my perspective) a genocidal extermination of it...I would say five million people in four years time forced from the middle class into living in poverty would qualify, but again your milage may vary.

I choose and use my words carefully...that is not to say I don't sometimes in haste make a spelling error, fail to use proper grammatical and structural formatting, but for the most part, if I use a word like genocidal it was properly chosen. Some may choose to blindly play follow the leader, grandly marching off the cliff like lemmings to their death, but I for one will not be so foolish as to believe George Bush on blind faith, for I have my eyes open to his lies, and see the danger of where his path is leading our nation.

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 10:00pm
uhhhh....did I miss something when I signed up for an account? Do not recall anywhere seeing that one had to accept emails to participate on the boards.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 10:02pm
The post you mentioned use abortion as one example, it was not brought up as a matter of discussion. I have in the course of my own participation in this thread used various examples, but none of them in and of themselves were used to veer the discussion off point. Unfortunately, those in the Pro-Life movement seem to make a practice out of taking every opportunity they can find to go into a diatribe about their beliefs, but the last time I looked, the rules say threads are to be KEPT ON TOPIC.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 10:13pm
Dear Dclarkin:

There is ALWAYS one shining example someone can hold up in the hopes of creating the illusion that it is the norm. My own mother worked until the age of 61 when complications from her diabetes left her blind and no longer able to work. She was declared legal blind, and was entitled to Social Security at that point...unfortunately, the Social Security Administration now routinely denies all first time applicants for early access, so she had to hire and attorney and go to court. Three and one half years later four days before she died she won her case, but never collected a penny of the benefits she paid in over all those years. A sad story, but could not be used to make the point that all seniors never get out what they put into the system.

Good, bad or ugly, the reality is that those currently on Social Security underpaid their accounts...which is why the amount of the contribution was increased to its current percentage of income up to I believe the first 80,000 a year, and that amount is then matched by the employer. So, we have a whole generation, and part of another that are currently recieving benefits who underpaid to the system...to continue paying them, the government is borrowing our benefits to give to these seniors. Instead of being able to see this reality, and agree to a cut in their own benefits, said seniors have not only cried foul at each attempt to cut their benefits, but have as we all have seen continue to demand more and more additional benefits. So, is it fair that this generation of recipients be allowed to drain away our benefits, thus leaving us in a situation of having to take the hit and go without in our Golden Years? Sorry, I don't feel it is. I too have worked hard now for some 30 plus years, and will probably have to work for at least another 12-15 years before being of an age where I can collect on my benefits, and I have a very serious with being told when my times comes I may not get what is rightfully mine. See, I have no problems with this generation of seniors getting what is rightfully theirs, but they want much more than that, they want what is rightfully theirs, as well as most of what should be rightfully mine as well.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 10:13pm

<<"The post you mentioned use abortion as one example, it was not brought up as a matter of discussion. I have in the course of my own participation in this thread used various examples, but none of them in and of themselves were used to veer the discussion off point.">>..... who is to decide whether an example

Djie

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sun, 08-29-2004 - 10:16pm
Typical Bush Republican...they cannot argue the points because the man's record is so deplorable, so start throwing up smoke screens in an attempt to cloud reality and keep the masses eyes off of the truth....shrug.

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