What will you do if Bush wins?

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What will you do if Bush wins?
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Fri, 08-20-2004 - 12:02pm
I would like to know what you all will do if Bush wins? I don't know if I can handle another 4 years. Any ideas of how to reclaim our country and restore democracy and freedom? I'm worried that another 4 years will increase the authoritariansm and absolute power that Bush has come to claim and further trample on our constitution and individual liberties. I'm truly frightened.

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Registered: 08-31-2004
Tue, 08-31-2004 - 6:56pm
That's scary. Christian's want a Christian president, but what about those of us who aren't Christian's, but just very good, honest people, who just happen to feel a bit differently? Are we just SOL?

Christian's want a Christian president. I read something about this scary Christian take over business, and quite frankly, it's un-American.

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Registered: 08-31-2004
Tue, 08-31-2004 - 6:57pm
homeownership was up under Clinton... it has gone down under Bush... relook at the numbers
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Registered: 08-31-2004
Tue, 08-31-2004 - 6:58pm
Sorry to sound feminist, but I won't be happy with ANY president until it's a woman. :)
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Registered: 08-28-2004
Tue, 08-31-2004 - 7:02pm
You seem to forget that the reason we went to war was because Bush told us Iraq was an immenent threat. He told us they had weapons of mass destruction. Many people in the rooms where the decision was made have told us that he wanted to go to war, he did not have to go to war.

This was to be a war on terror - the terrorists were not in Iraq, he diverted forces and funds to fight his war when he should have stayed the course and continued to fight in Afghanistan where the terrorists were known to be,

Yes, Saddam's in prison where he belongs. This was not what our country needed to get done right after 9-11, we could have disposed of him at anytime (Bush didn't need to bomb an entire country to do it) Bush is inept and 4 more years of him will mean more chaos, more deficits and more lives lost.

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Tue, 08-31-2004 - 7:02pm
<"Don't be so quick to lump all Christians together. It appears the "conservative Christians" feel they are the only Christians - possibly because they talk louder and buy more bumper stickers.">

That is the best take on this that I have ever heard. My mom is a very spiritual person, and her Christianity means more to her than anything, and she just told me the same thing about following God and not some mere human as what to believe. You are completely right in everything you have said here. And that's coming from a Wiccan. :)

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Tue, 08-31-2004 - 7:07pm
Well, my only comment on the whole thing as regards to a Christian president....considering Bush claims to be a Christian, he sures seems bent on killing a whole lot of people....GEE, almost like the Crusades all over again.
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Tue, 08-31-2004 - 7:09pm
I am already terrified that if Bush wins, that abortion will not be legal any longer. I'm not saying you have to have an abortion (adoption can also be a good choice). I am scared of not having this choice any longer. Since the presdient appoints the supreme court judges, he could apoint more pro-life judges. Thus, we could end up having the U.S. reversing Roe vs. Wade. I am already looking up information on if women can not have abortions in the U.S., if they can have them in other countries. Please don't read me incorrectly, just because I am pro-choice, does not necessarily mean I would have an abortion. I just believe that women should have that choice, especially when they are raped or when their own life is in danger. Personally, I would even go farther and say that a woman should be able to have an abortion, whenever they think it is the right thing to do. Thus, if Bush wins, I will continue to fight for what I believe are essential to women's rights, the right to be pro-choice.

In addition, to all you people who now dislike (or maybe even hate me!) after reading the above, I also do not like John Kerry. I am currently torn on what I should do, come November 2nd. It really doesn't seem fair when you don't like the two presidental canidates that actually have a chance of winning. There are so many issues besides pro-choice for me though and I will be glued to the television on voting night, as so many of you will too (I'm sure!).

Thanks for listening. I do not mean to offend anyone on here, I just enjoy people discussing issues, even if we do disagree.


Kara

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Tue, 08-31-2004 - 7:27pm
*****Well, my only comment on the whole thing as regards to a Christian president....considering Bush claims to be a Christian, he sures seems bent on killing a whole lot of people....GEE, almost like the Crusades all over again.


You have no problem with people killing babies. How does that make you any better?

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Registered: 08-28-2004
Tue, 08-31-2004 - 7:27pm
This is an excellent post - didn't think anyone should miss it....

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I hope this goes out to everyone, Dems and Reps alike.

I think you should all be as well informed as possible. The most reliable information comes from those who are relatively neutral--unaffiliated at least in their jobs--such as Paul Krugman, an economist. He helps slog through the morass of policies to help you understand the numbers behind the policies. Look at editorial pages in several papers.

It is more than about ideologies and differences. I am incredibly surprised any of you feel safer today. You should not. NO one can protect us; we can become more aware and protect ourselves, but do not fool yourselves and believe that one man in one office can make us safe. Yes, policies, but realistically, we would be far safer and not as fiscally responsible if we still had a semblance of a coalition of forces to help us in Iraq. I know of what I speak: I work for the Navy, and I have seen the casualties first hand. We have lost not only 1000 people, but we have 6 times that many wounded, many of whom we must now care for for the rest of their lives. These are not scratches and bites, my friends. They are missing limbs, eyes, extremities, and likely, (hardest of all to restore) peace of mind.

All of you believe very easily what you read: I do, too. In some respects, we need to. We need to think the truth IS out there, somewhere. I lived in DC for many years, and this I know to be true of politics and politicians: most of them, like any of us, are in it for themselves. It's their job, we all want our jobs, I can't blame them. Many of them do a good job anyway, in the process; their interests and ours are, after all, similar.

What I do not think you should believe is that George Bush cares about anyone but himself. I'll say this for John Kerry, he has SERVED, in the service and in the Senate.(Don't get me started: THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN FALSIFY THEIR OWN PAPERWORK FOR A MEDAL. Don't insult the military by thinking things like that happen.) He was raised with a sense of moral responsibility; his service in Vietnam is testament to that. Those of you who were alive back then know: a lot of people went to Canada. The fact that Kerry went at all speaks VOLUMES.

Look carefully at George Bush the man: can you truly see something other than someone raised in privilege, not having to pay for any of his own mistakes? He was groomed for this job and has performed for his groomers admirably. Campaigning is what he does best. But : Has he visited any countries on diplomatic missions lately? What happened to all that good will the world gave us freely after 9/11? Wouldn't we all be "safer" if we had our allies to help us? Nevermind that it happened on HIS watch. Do you think for a moment, if Al Gore had been able to take his legitimate office, that the Republicans would let anyone forget that this disaster occurred on Democratic watch? But everyone is being so kind and not mentioning it. Do you think if Bill Clinton's family had been chummy with the Bin Ladens and that, after 9/11, the Republicans would have swept his allowing them to leave the country under the proverbial rug? No.

It is not just who you elect president. I saw that, living in and around the government. It is who they bring with them. For this to be a true democracy, you have to bring EVERYONE into the circle of power. I have never seen an administration run amok as this one has; they have literally helped themselves to every spoil in sight; environmental policies have been set back years; the economy is in dire straits, the deficit is unfathomable, and everyone seems to think all this is OKAY. Wait until you want to go camp in a National Park. Or have to go through what we went through in California with the "energy crisis" 2-3 years ago. YOU HAVE NO IDEA. Small businesses went out in scores; their energy bills did not triple, but were 6 times as high. Now we find out that the market was fixed. I don't need to tell you how many lives were affected by Enron.

Please, it's not just George Bush. It's those around him who are robbing us blind. Look at the economic policies, read beyond what either party tells you is happening. Can't you see it? There's more unemployment, lower salaries, higher housing prices--look at the Census Bureau numbers, see for yourself who's buying, how much they cost. Statistics can be skewed in a myriad of ways.

Here's my bias: I believe Republican rhetoric is based in fear. Fear of difference, fear of change, and most of that locates in a fear of not having enough. They appeal to the lowest common denominator in all of us. They want us to want the status quo, even though we have NO REAL idea of what that is! Carl Rove was hired to get Bush elected, and they don't care how he does it. It sounds as if he's done his job EXTREMELY well, as most of you believe that what he tells you is true. Do any of you know who he is or what he does? Please, look into it. I know you are thinking, compassionate human beings. You need to take a second look at who you're hiring for this job.







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Tue, 08-31-2004 - 7:32pm
****I am already terrified that if Bush wins, that abortion will not be legal any longer. I'm not saying you have to have an abortion (adoption can also be a good choice). I am scared of not having this choice any longer. Since the presdient appoints the supreme court judges, he could apoint more pro-life judges. Thus, we could end up having the U.S. reversing Roe vs. Wade. I am already looking up information on if women can not have abortions in the U.S., if they can have them in other countries. Please don't read me incorrectly, just because I am pro-choice, does not necessarily mean I would have an abortion. I just believe that women should have that choice, especially when they are raped or when their own life is in danger. Personally, I would even go farther and say that a woman should be able to have an abortion, whenever they think it is the right thing to do. Thus, if Bush wins, I will continue to fight for what I believe are essential to women's rights, the right to be pro-choice.

In addition, to all you people who now dislike (or maybe even hate me!) after reading the above, I also do not like John Kerry. I am currently torn on what I should do, come November 2nd. It really doesn't seem fair when you don't like the two presidental canidates that actually have a chance of winning. There are so many issues besides pro-choice for me though and I will be glued to the television on voting night, as so many of you will too (I'm sure!).

Thanks for listening. I do not mean to offend anyone on here, I just enjoy people discussing issues, even if we do disagree.

Kara

Kara, there are some really effective forms of birth control these days. Why don't you look into that? Then you won't have to worry about having to have an abortion. There are forms of birth control that keep you from ovulating so that you don't have to worry about concieving at all. And your insurance may even pay for it! You can also find clinics that will give it to you free!

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