What will you do if Bush wins?

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Registered: 08-20-2004
What will you do if Bush wins?
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Fri, 08-20-2004 - 12:02pm
I would like to know what you all will do if Bush wins? I don't know if I can handle another 4 years. Any ideas of how to reclaim our country and restore democracy and freedom? I'm worried that another 4 years will increase the authoritariansm and absolute power that Bush has come to claim and further trample on our constitution and individual liberties. I'm truly frightened.

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Registered: 07-12-2001
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 9:04am
First, you are lumping apples and oranges together. Gay rights and women's rights are not the same thing. Nor would I consider abortion to be a "women's right," because a majority of women do not take advantage of that right and never would in most circumstances, and close to a majority of women are opposed to that right even being available in the first place.

Second, nothing has been "taken away" from you. Abortion is still legal as far as I know, and gays are fighting for rights they did not have to begin with.

Just wanted to clarify. Semantics are important in a debate.

Bev

girl in chair
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Registered: 07-12-2001
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 9:12am
Thanks for your thoughtful response. Just two of my own ... first, the pay disparity can be challenged on a number of levels, but even if it is accurate, how can we verify that it is Bush himself who is responsible for it? I think it is more likely to be a combination of factors, some of which may or may not have anything to do with Bush himself.

Second, while I am basically pro-choice myself, I am cautious about categorizing abortion as a "women's right," since so many women are opposed to abortion and are offended by such a categorization. The right to vote, the right to work, the right to pursue happiness ... sure, these are women's rights. The right to abortion? Not quite so. And I think if the Democratic Party wants to broaden its base of appeal to women voters, they're going to have to start offering them more than the right to have an abortion, which the majority of women won't use.

Bev

girl in chair
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 10:27am
Very pathetic argument.

I bet you love the fact that Michael Moore and others have begged Ralph Nader to withdraw from the race.

What is wrong with having another person. Obviously there are people that dont want to vote for Bush, but cannot stand the thought of voting for Kerry either.

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:15am
I am most concerned about the mother whose life is very real, with experiences and emotions and a future to plan for herself and whoever may be dependent on her. The truth is that when a woman has a child she is not prepared to care for she can be so overwhelmed that bad things happen to them both, ie. child abuse, poverty, illness, death.
Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:18am

Abortion is still legal as far as I know, and gays are fighting for rights they did not have to begin with.


But the question is why didn' t gays have that right to begin with? They are Americans too, they have the right to all the benefits and protections of any other American. There is nothing about gay marriage that will hurt heterosexual marriage, it can only be good for us all, creating stable unions which are good for the economy and good for raising children.

Donna

Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:21am

Second, while I am basically pro-choice myself, I am cautious about categorizing abortion as a "women's right," since so many women are opposed to abortion and are offended by such a categorization.


Because a woman may choose not to use a right she has does not mean it is a right that is not important to have. Women fought long and hard ( some died)

Donna
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Registered: 07-12-2001
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:24am
Sorry, I disagree. I am a woman and I do not consider the right to an abortion to be an "important women's right." Maybe because I have always been smart and responsible enough to avoid getting myself into a situation that I didn't want to be in.

Bev

girl in chair
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:34am

What is wrong with having another person. Obviously there are people that dont want to vote for Bush, but cannot stand the thought of voting for Kerry either.


If you read my post before answering it you will find the answer to your question is there. Youre selective reading will not force me to continually repeat myself.

Donna

Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:35am
I can only hope you or anyone you know and love does not make a mistake in this area and wish you had all options before you to make a decision about your future.

Donna

Donna
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Registered: 07-12-2001
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:44am
Well, as I already said, I myself have avoided making such "mistakes" by taking responsibility for my sexuality. (Am still a little baffled as to why some folks seem to think that isn't a viable option.) And while at this point my son is too young to find himself in such a situation, if he ever does get a girl pregnant (which he won't because he won't be allowed to date unti he's 35, LOL), I would encourage them to either get married or give the child up for adoption. The way things stand now, though, neither my son nor I would have any say in the matter.

Bev

girl in chair

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