What will you do if Bush wins?

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What will you do if Bush wins?
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Fri, 08-20-2004 - 12:02pm
I would like to know what you all will do if Bush wins? I don't know if I can handle another 4 years. Any ideas of how to reclaim our country and restore democracy and freedom? I'm worried that another 4 years will increase the authoritariansm and absolute power that Bush has come to claim and further trample on our constitution and individual liberties. I'm truly frightened.

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Registered: 08-22-2003
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:25pm
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Oh gosh, what an awful thought. For somebody to think of somebody besides themself.

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I was adopted and my birth mother was 16. I have so much respect and admiration for her and I ended up with a wonderful family. So did others that I have known that were adopted. I have 2 teenaged daughters and my dh and I are adopting now ourselves. Adoption is a wonderful selfless choice.


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Registered: 08-22-2003
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:33pm
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Haha, after I read his first post, I thought it was him.


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Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:38pm
What medication does he take?
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:41pm
***Back to the authoritarian view of what "should" be. People make poor choices, stupid mistakes, and always will. Punishing them for it afterwards only makes things worse for them and whoever is dependent on them. We have to have alternatives that work on all levels. People don't sit down and make a choice to have a baby at 15 or to be raped. Many young girls think they are in love and will marry the "father" and "have someone to love them" (the baby). Raising a child alone at any age is difficult. For a young immature woman it is not only difficult but can be damaging to her and her child. Woman have the right to plan their own lives and futures and to learn from their mistakes.


And by letting these young girls learn resposibility, they will not continue to make these mistakes over and over again. And ditto to their irresponsible sexual partners. Also, my 15 year old cousin was date raped and didn't realize she was pregnant for several months. She decided to keep the baby and with the support of her family and friends, she is doing a great job being a mother and going to school. I haven't heard her complain yet!

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Registered: 08-22-2003
Thu, 09-02-2004 - 11:47pm
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Did he put money away? My 82 and 83 year old parents saved like crazy when they were working. And they didn't make mega bucks either on their jobs. But they knew they alone were responsible for themselves and needed to put money away for a rainy day.

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My mom kept her medical coverage from a company that she worked at. She pays only $7.00 for each prescription.

Although my parents receive Social Security, they didn't plan on that being the only money they would have to live on. We all need to think about our future and not planning on any government program taking care of us. That is not what I want from a government.


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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 12:23am


Excerpts of John Kerry's Upcoming Remarks



The election comes down to this. If you believe this country is heading in the right direction, you should support George Bush. But if you believe America needs to move in a new direction, join with us. John and I offer a better plan that will make us stronger at home and more respected in the world. And we need your help to do that.


For three days in New York, instead of talking about jobs and the economy, we heard anger and insults from the Republicans. And I'll tell you why. It's because they can't talk about the real issues facing Americans. They can't talk about their record because it's a record of failure.


We all saw the anger and distortion of the Republican Convention. For the past week, they attacked my patriotism and my fitness to serve as commander in chief. Well, here's my answer. I'm not going to have my commitment to defend this country questioned by those who refused to serve when they could have and by those who have misled the nation into Iraq.


The vice president even called me unfit for office last night. I guess I'll leave it up to the voters whether five deferments makes someone more qualified to defend this nation than two tours of duty.


Let me tell you what I think makes someone unfit for duty. Misleading our nation into war in Iraq makes you unfit to lead this nation. Doing nothing while this nation loses millions of jobs makes you unfit to lead this nation. Letting 45 million Americans go without health care makes you unfit to lead this nation. Letting the Saudi royal family control our energy costs makes you unfit to lead this nation. Handing out billions of government contracts to Halliburton while you're still on their payroll makes you unfit. That's the record of George Bush and Dick Cheney. And it's not going to change. I believe it's time to move America in a new direction; I believe it's time to set a new course for America.


And we have a specific plan to do just that. So tomorrow morning, John and Elizabeth and Teresa and I are hitting the road across America's heartland. From here, we'll go out and talk with Americans in towns across Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan. And because a stronger America begins at home, we'll talk about our plan to create jobs, cut taxes for the middle class, lower health care costs, and make America safer and more secure.



Donna
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 12:24am
Bush: Against Winning the War on Terror Before He Was for it

BUSH FLIP-FLOPS ON WINNING THE WAR ON TERROR


This President has gone from mission accomplished to mission miscalculated to mission impossible on the war on terror. We need a leader who knows we can win the war on terror and has a plan to do it. America can do better than a go-it-alone foreign policy that has alienated key allies, leaving U.S. troops bearing the overwhelming burden in Iraq and U.S. taxpayers shouldering the bulk of the cost.


BUSH ON THE ATTACK BECAUSE HE CAN’T TALK ABOUT HIS RECORD



BUSH DISTORTS KERRY'S POSITION ON REDEPLOYMENT



Bush Distorts Kerry’s Position. While the Bush campaign continues to distort Kerry’s position, Kerry in fact believes that now would be a dangerous time to pull troops out of nuclear-armed North Korea and further fray our alliances in Europe at a time when we need them more then ever. Bush and Cheney themselves have pointed to the need to keep our troops in the Korean Peninsula.



What Kerry said in early August was: “IF THE DIPLOMACY THAT I BELIEVE CAN BE PUT IN PLACE CAN WORK, I think we can significantly change the deployment of troops, not just there but elsewhere in the world. In the Korean peninsula perhaps, in Europe perhaps.” Unfortunately, with Bush’s failures in Korea and with our alliances around the world, we don’t have the diplomacy right at this point.



Bush: “And I'm not -- I strongly believe we need to have a military presence in the Korea Peninsula, not only to keep the peace in Peninsula, but to keep regional stability. And I strongly believe we need to keep a presence in NATO.”



Cheney Said Danger Posed By North Korea Requires U.S. Presence. Cheney: “‘In view of the dangers of nuclear proliferation in North Korea and the destabilizing impact on Northeast Asia -- and as a result of our consultations -- we have concluded that it would be unwise to proceed with major U.S. force reduction,’ he said. ‘We have therefore postponed the next round of force level adjustments being considered for Korea until the dangers and uncertainties of the North Korean nuclear program have been thoroughly addressed.’”



BUSH THREATENED TO VETO $87 BILLION



White House Threatened to Veto $87 Billion. The White House threatened to veto the $87 billion supplemental bill. ‘If this provision is not removed, the president's senior advisers would recommend that he veto the bill,’ Joshua B. Bolten, the White House budget director, wrote in a letter to Congressional leaders.” They also threatened a veto if full health benefits were given to TRICARE In a letter to Congressional conferees on the $87 billion bill, “In particular, if the President is presented a bill that … authorizes concurrent receipt or military retirement pay and veterans disability compensation benefits, or expands TRICARE, then I would join other advisors to the President in recommending that he veto a bill.”



BUSH SENT TROOPS INTO HARMS WAY WITHOUT EQUIPMENT



Even in Mid-June, Soldiers Lacking Armored Vehicles. “The problem with unarmored Humvees in combat situations continues to be an issue. In early March, Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, questioned Acting Secretary of the Army Les Brownlee about the shortage of body armor and fortified Humvees for troops serving in Iraq. Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said after a visit to Iraq in mid-June that U.S. forces still need better armored equipment. Of the 15,000 Humvees in Iraq, about 1,500 to 2,000 are armored, according to the Army.” On General who was in Iraq said, “we're short of the proper body armor. Everybody had flack jackets and some body armor, but not the new body armor. They showed us the schedule, and said it was going to be done. They was short at that time, I believe, around 1,400 up-armored Humvees that were coming into the country, and the body armor was on schedule. So these shortage will drastically come down, but it does leave you wondering why couldn't we have done this before the war, and we simply didn't.”



KERRY AGREES WITH POWELL ON FLAG AMENDMENT


Kerry believes in protecting the flag AND the first amendment. As such, he advocates for penalizing flag desecration, but not via a constitutional amendment.


Gen. Colin Powell on a Flag Burning Amendment: In a letter to Senator Patrick Leahy, Powell wrote: “I love our flag, our Constitution and our country with a love that has no bounds. I defended all three for 35 years as a soldier and was willing to give my life in their defense. … I understand how strongly so many of my fellow veterans and citizens feel about the flag and I understand the powerful sentiment in state legislatures for such an amendment. I feel the same sense of outrage. But I step back from amending the Constitution to relieve that outrage. .. If I were a member of Congress, I would not vote for the proposed amendment and would fully understand and respect the views of those who would. For or against, we all love our flag with equal devotion.



John Kerry on Penalizing Flag Desecration: “As a former prosecutor I know that most flag burning incidents can be prosecuted under existing law. If a person burns a flag that belongs to the Federal Government--that constitutes destruction of Federal property, which is a crime.”



John Kerry on Amending the Constitution: “The Constitution has been amended only 16 times in the 198 years since the Bill of Rights was ratified. No amendment has ever limited the Bill of Rights itself.”

Donna

Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Fri, 09-03-2004 - 12:33am
Kerry Offers Tough Critique on Iraq
Holds President Accountable for His Many “Miscalculations” in War

For Immediate Release


Nashville, TN - Delivering remarks at the American Legion’s 86th annual convention in Nashville, Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry Wednesday offered a principled critique of President Bush’s handling of Iraq and offered his plan to turn the president’s “catastrophic success” into a real success.


Kerry told his audience of veterans that the president’s failures in Iraq include more than “miscalculations” about post-war Iraq, but also failing to listen to military experts, failing to develop a plan to win the peace, failing to engage our allies and failing to send our troops properly equipped.


Linking these failures to the president’s empty promises for America’s veterans and to his economic policies that help a select few but do not open up opportunities for the middle class, Kerry said there are very real differences in this election, and he pledged to be a Commander-in-Chief who understands that America needs to be stronger at home and respected in the world.


Kerry’s remarks picked up on recent statements by President Bush that Iraq was a “catastrophic success” brought on by our military moving too fast before the enemy was “done in.”

Donna
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Registered: 08-05-2004
Fri, 09-03-2004 - 2:00am
Hi all. I think it was here (but there are way too many messages to be sure and go back on and see) that someone said that John Edwards once channeled a baby in a mother's tummy and saying how it's a baby with a life and now he's supporting the abortion rights with Kerry. If someone didn't say that here I apologize but there's so many messages I read here on the poltics today board(s) it's crazy, but I wanted to say that the senator John Edwards isn't the medium that the medium John Edwards is. They're two different people. Senator John Edwards' site is www.johnedwards.com while the medium is www.johnedwards.net Senator Edwards wouldn't have time to be in the senate and host his own t.v. show on Sci-Fi. I again apologize if this wasn't the thread someone posted about that. It's just so hard to remember and I tried to find it but blah. XOXO.
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Registered: 06-17-2004
Fri, 09-03-2004 - 2:10am

I think your getting your politicos mixed up with your mediums.


Soon-to-be-former senator John Edwards made his millions

Renee ~~~

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