Smear Starts at White House

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Smear Starts at White House
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Tue, 08-24-2004 - 5:26am
Everyone I know (Republican, Democrat & Independent) thinks that the anti-Kerry smear campaign on his Vietnam War record began at the White House. Not a person, I know, believes the administration denials.

Does that matter? I think it does!

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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 2:17am
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He reported them to the senate, give me a break. If the military wanted his a** they could have taken it then. But, but, but, it doesn't work that way. The military isn't going to waste their time trying to go after Kerry, and cause themselves to not only have to go after many others, for crimes they knew full well about, but also expose more of the military mess that Kerry was reporting in the first place. They knew full well that would just open a biger can of worms then Kerry had. I understand that what Kerry said had serious reprecussions, but there is no way I will fault Kerry for all the mess that happened after Vietnam. He is not the only person to speak out against that war and that administration, and he had every right to stand up for what he believes. As stated time and time again, he was speaking against the administration and military operations that put soldiers in positions that would cause these problems. His words were not stated with the intension of calling all Vets war criminals. Although if you dissect his statements to make them sound that way it would certainly appear just how some want it to. Before you pass judgement on pieces of a conversation, statement, speach, etc. you need to listen to the entire thing not the twisted incomplete mess that floats around in media and politics.

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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 2:24am


"So you're saying they're lying, just saying what they've been told to say?" No I'm saying they are takeing what they hear and believing every word of it. If someone tells you something about a person and spins it the right way, it can influence what you believe. Not a lie, but not always what is true. I don't know what the truth is but I'm not so sure everyone speaking against or for Kerry knows either.

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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 3:09am
Poll: More Believe Bush Behind Attack Ads

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 2:47 a.m. ET

August 29, 2004

NEW YORK (AP) -- Americans increasingly believe President Bush's re-election campaign is behind the ads attacking Democrat John Kerry's Vietnam experience, a poll found.

Almost half in a poll taken this week say they think the president's campaign is behind the ads that try to undercut Kerry's medals for heroism while just over a third think the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is an independent group, the National Annenberg Election Survey found.

The Swift boat ads, which ran in three swing states earlier this month, challenged Kerry's wartime service in Vietnam for which he received five medals.

The public's belief that Kerry did not earn his medals grew to 30 percent when the attack ads got widespread publicity on cable news networks. But that number has dropped to 24 percent now.

Kerry's campaign has accused President Bush of involvement in the ad campaign, a charge that was stepped up after Bush campaign counsel Benjamin Ginsberg acknowledged he was advising the group and resigned Wednesday from the Bush campaign.

In polling from Monday through Thursday, 46 percent said they believed the Bush campaign was behind the ads and 37 percent said they thought the ads were done independently.

The president and his campaign staff have said repeatedly they have no connection to the ads, which have come under increasing criticism as Navy records and additional witnesses backed Kerry's version of events.

On Monday and Tuesday when the Kerry campaign was making the accusation Bush was involved, 42 percent said the Bush campaign was behind them and 41 percent said they were truly independent.

After Ginsberg resigned from the campaign on Wednesday, 50 percent said in polling the next two nights that the Bush campaign was connected to the ads and 34 percent said it was not.

Ginsberg and lawyers on the Democratic side have represented both the campaigns or party and outside groups running ads in the presidential race.

The poll of 1,244 adults was taken Aug. 23-28 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

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On the Net:

National Annenberg Election Survey: http://www.naes04.com

http://nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kerry-Vietnam-Opinion.html

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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 5:04am

You are welcome!

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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 11:31am
<<"Kerry was calling the leadership out to be accountable for the terrible mission they asked our troops to carry out ...and for what? His beef was always with the leadership.">>..........what did Kerry do to "roast his beef" with the leadership in the past decades? This is a sincere question. (How I hate to feel the need to add the latter, but I have been "misread" before...).

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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 12:54pm
So the Dems attempts at smearing the president in the name of damage control have been working, surprise, surprise. Personally I think just factually refuting the vets' statements would be more effective, but I suppose since Kerry doesn't seem to be able to do much of that attacking the president is the next best thing..
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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 6:28pm
I am reading it and as I remember those times well I know it to be true. I hope others will read and hear it too.

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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 6:30pm
Yes but you have no right to judge what went on in those wars since you were not there. As
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Sun, 08-29-2004 - 6:36pm
"Yes but you have no right to judge what went on in those wars since you were not there. As I was not."

Why? With that type of logic, then we would have no right to sit on a jury and decide a persons fate when they break the law becasue we were not there. And then, I guess that mean that everyone questioning Bush's actions for those 7 minutes have no right to judge b/c they were not there, and no one can question Bush's Guard service as they were not there, etc, etc.

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