Red State Welfare

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Red State Welfare
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Tue, 08-24-2004 - 9:31pm
Here's an interesting site.

http://www.edthibodeau.com/nonplussed/2003/10/im_surprised_th.html

It turns out that the conservative Republican states love to take money from the liberal Democratic Blue states, then complain about bad the liberal Democrats are. I don't understand it. True Blues give them money.

You know what I think? I think red Republicans hate blue Democrats because of our freedoms. That's what I think.

You know what else I think? Just take my money and shut your mouths. You don't even have to say, "Thank you."

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-05-2003
Tue, 08-24-2004 - 10:59pm
The analysis is flawed. When reviewed county by country, the red counties far outproduce the blue. A few population centers in blue states give the majority necessary to carry the state, generally the blue counties are financial losers for the states.

For example California, which is considered safe for Kerry after Al Gore carried the state by 1.3 Million votes saw more counties won by Bush. Gore's margin of victory came from his 800,000 vote margin from Los Angeles County, and his similar margin from Metro San Francisco (margins of 220,000 in Alameda Co. 190,000 in San Francisco Co., 140,000 in Santa Clara Co., 85,000 in San Mateo Co., and 80,000 in Contra Costa Co.). Gore lost most of the rest of the counties.

California is just one example, though. Most of the Blue states rely on a few major population centers delivering overwhelming margins for Democrats to make them "Blue states". Just as many urban counties are delivering increasingly overwhelming margins for Democrats (Al Gore carried New York City 78%-18%.) He won 4 counties in NY state (4 of 5 in New York City, he lost only Staten Island) and LOST in 58 counties (the entire remainder of the state).

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 08-25-2004 - 7:33am
So how small do you have to go to support your proposition? City by city? Neighborhood by neighborhood? House by house?

Point in fact. On a state by state basis, red states are welfare queens, sucking up taxes paid by blue states. Nothing you've said changes the basis proposition.

Nice attempt at misdirection, but doesn't wash.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-05-2003
Wed, 08-25-2004 - 7:36am
As stated. county by county :-)
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 08-25-2004 - 8:08am
You want to break down the red welfare states county by county, too?

Point. Blue states pay for Red State federal welfare.

Welfare rednecks. That's a new term.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Thu, 08-26-2004 - 11:30am
This is the exact reason that we elect our President based on the Electoral College System, and not by the popular vote.

Of course the Democrats are going to be heavily favored in the inner cities such as NYC, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco. It is the suburbs where the Republicans usually do very well.

Look at the last election. approx. 105,000,000 people voted, and the two top candidates were separated by a mere 500,000 votes. That is 0.0047% of the total vote.

By way of states, it was 30 for Bush, 20 for Gore, and the electoral numbers we know separated the two by 5.