The first rule of command

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The first rule of command
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Fri, 08-27-2004 - 5:00pm
I dreamed about my father last night. Dad's been dead almost thirty years, so I don't dream about him much, but I did last night. Dad was a Master Sargeant in the Air Force. He, for some of his time in, he trained young airman in Air Force Boot Camp.

One night, when we were talking about his time in the Air Force and some of the things he did to train young men, he told me, "You know what the first rule of command is? Never ask your men to do something you wouldn't do yourself."

Let's forget slamming Bush. Let's assume he did serve his time in the Guard honorably. But, as the Commander in Chief, he never spent at tour overseas, never when into a combat zone, was never shot at, never shot back, and never killed a man. Regardless of the medal argument, Kerry has done all of the above.

If the first rule of command is, "Never ask your men to do something you wouldn't do yourself." like Dad said, who has the better right to ask, Bush or Kerry?

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Fri, 08-27-2004 - 5:07pm

<<"If the first rule of command is, "Never ask your men to do something you wouldn't do yourself." like Dad said, who has the better right to ask, Bush or Kerry?">>......Where and when did

Djie

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Fri, 08-27-2004 - 5:30pm
Where did he prove it?
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Fri, 08-27-2004 - 5:54pm
When he checked NO on his enlistment forms to volunteering for Nam.



< Where and when did Bush ever say that he wouldn't do what he is asking his men to do?>

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Fri, 08-27-2004 - 6:17pm

How can Kerry "prove it"?


Don't know about you, but I for

Djie

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Fri, 08-27-2004 - 7:04pm
Kerry only served because he was turned down for deferment. President Bush didn't ask for a deferment.

Senator John Kerry tried to defer his military service for a year, according to a newly rediscovered article in a Harvard University newspaper.

He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a further 12 months studying in Paris, after completing his degree course at Yale University in the mid-1960s.

The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated image as a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war - in supposed contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas National Guard.

The Harvard Crimson newspaper followed a youthful Mr. Kerry in Boston as he campaigned for Congress for the first time in 1970. In the course of a lengthy article, "John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress", published on February 18, the paper reported: "When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy."

Samuel Goldhaber, the article's author who is now a cardiologist attached to the Harvard School of Medicine, spent 11 hours trailing Mr. Kerry and still remembers that the subject of the Paris deferment came up during long conversations about Vietnam.

"I stand by my story," he told The Telegraph. "It was a long time ago, and I was 19 at the time, so it is hard to remember every detail. But I do know this: at no point did Kerry contact either me or the Crimson to dispute anything I had written."

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Sat, 08-28-2004 - 12:44am
This is the most ridiculous crap ever. Now you are saying Bush pulling strings to get into the guard was honoraable & Kerry joining up wasn't, LOL.

The truth turned upside down. Black is white & white is black. Ever read "Brave New World"?

No, Bush didn't have to ask for a deferment, instead he got a guaranteed safe job here at home. Kerry signed up TWICE.

Find some other way to try & prop up your president.




< Kerry only served because he was turned down for deferment. President Bush didn't ask for a deferment.

Senator John Kerry tried to defer his military service for a year, according to a newly rediscovered article in a Harvard University newspaper.

He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a further 12 months studying in Paris, after completing his degree course at Yale University in the mid-1960s.

The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated image as a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war - in supposed contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas National Guard. >

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Sat, 08-28-2004 - 2:40am
President Bush may never have killed someone, but his wife Laura while drunk did.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Sat, 08-28-2004 - 9:27am
You so missed the point.
Donna
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Sat, 08-28-2004 - 9:28am
How do you know Bush didn't ask for a deferment or that he ever had to? Remember he had daddy to do his dirty work for him.
Donna
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Sat, 08-28-2004 - 9:38am
Lets see.....1) six days before George Bush's deferment was due to expire, his father somehow managed to get his name moved from 500 to number one on the list to get into the Air National Guard. 2) Air National Guard during the dark days of Vietnam was the hiding place used by those of the rich and elite to keep their children out of harms way, while the middle-class paid the bulk of the ravages of war. 3) Bush to this day has not been able to explain his AWOL status from Alabama, was grounded from flying when he refused to take a physical (because he was hopped up on cocaine and booze), and was released from even this light duty some six months early....he would have been dishonorably discharged if not for who his father was. 4) Cheney during the Vietnam Conflict had not one, but five deferments, and of course we could discuss Rumsfeld if you like as well.

Now, how much more proof do you need that the current administration is asking our troops to do things they themselves were not willing to do?

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