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To IV-Mystic Dreamer
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Tue, 08-31-2004 - 9:58am
From a 25 yr old Englishwoman

I read your post (or should I say article!) on Bush's half-truths and non-truths, it was very interesting. A couple of thoughts:

How can you have a war on terror? It's not a country. It's not a race, nor a gender. It's a feeling!!! 9/11 was horribly wrong, but it was far from unprecedented. Here in the UK, we've been dealing with terrorism for a very long time, specifically from the IRA and other groups like it. But we didn't go and bomb the sh*t out of Australia because they had tenuous links to Ireland! This is not to say that we should be lenient on terrorists. But the vast majority of Iraqis who are now dead were not terrorists. If the minds behind 9/11 could be found, I'd gleefully pull the trigger myself, but why are we killing people with no connection whatsoever to that atrocity?

The idea of Bush and Blair sitting together praying gives me shivers. Separation of Church and State, people! Isn't that what your Constitution says?

Both of them have been proved to be liars, and to have taken our countries and our young men and women into war on completely fabricated grounds. I confess, I'm glad the Taliban are no longer in power in Afghanistan, but it's the height of idiocy to believe that we went into Iraq for any other primary reason than OIL!

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:09am
When were YOU?

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:16am
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Yeah....mad like a fox.

The Republicans are particuarly skilled at taking two unrelated things/people/events and linking them together to their advantage (like the link between Osama and Saddam as only one example). It leaves some people scratching their heads but it works. Make the connections often enough and people (often those too lazy to do their own research or read from a variety of sources) will believe them after a while. I remember watching the news in the run up to the war. Often Iraq was mentioned in the same sentance as 9/11....but when it was not, there would often be a picture in the background when journalists were talking (like a picture of Saddam Hussein in the background while they were discussing 9/11 and so on)...that was just incase some people had the TV on but the sound turned off ;o)





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Registered: 08-31-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:17am
that's true, and isn't that the point of the UN? to at least level the playing field slightly? yes, America is a great big important country, but its not the only country in the world and American opinions aren't the only ones that matter globally.

Very interested to get reply from Dipsy on my previous post.

baby siggy
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Registered: 08-31-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:21am
i had to giggle, i've only ever heard the expression 'mad like a fox' from the lips of Homer Simpson.

crafty buggers! it's interesting that not even Bush's most ardent supporters will claim that Al'Qaieda and Saddam were actually linked, all they say is the same as Blair says: 'well he was a monster so getting rid of him is all to the good, regardless of the WHYs of it'

baby siggy
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:46am
What is so sad, is that the Republican fanatical religious right (which is his base) does hold him in that high of esteem.

Side note....best line at the convention last night from a commentator:

Do not understand this whole claim by the Bush's of being so religious and church going at all. Laura when out of the public spot light is more of an old hippie chick, and cannot even imagine her enjoying have to sit down to dinner with say Pat Robert, and as for the first Bush first Lady Barbara, the only time I can imagine the words Jesus Christ crossing her lips is when the bartender at Kennebunkport can't make a good Martini.

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:48am
Can we say ISOLATIONIST?
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:52am
Why travel to Iraq when one can use the Internet to read the news as viewed and presented by some of the News Agency in the Middle East that present the war from a different perspective than ours.....would seem to me that is a good way of having at least some understanding of the other side, how they feel, and thus be in a position of understanding the mindset of who you are dealing with.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:54am
It is an opinion, and worded to be an opinion, or did you miss the "it seems in there that sets the entire post up as being nothing more than my viewpoint based upon the actions and words I have observed.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:54am

Doesn't it then become simply the biggest bully in the playground?


Yes and that is exactly what we are acting as now.

Donna

Donna
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Registered: 08-31-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:55am
I'm starting to think Dipsy may not want to play any more. Although I have no idea what time it may be wherever she is :o)
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