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Tue, 08-31-2004 - 9:58am
From a 25 yr old Englishwoman

I read your post (or should I say article!) on Bush's half-truths and non-truths, it was very interesting. A couple of thoughts:

How can you have a war on terror? It's not a country. It's not a race, nor a gender. It's a feeling!!! 9/11 was horribly wrong, but it was far from unprecedented. Here in the UK, we've been dealing with terrorism for a very long time, specifically from the IRA and other groups like it. But we didn't go and bomb the sh*t out of Australia because they had tenuous links to Ireland! This is not to say that we should be lenient on terrorists. But the vast majority of Iraqis who are now dead were not terrorists. If the minds behind 9/11 could be found, I'd gleefully pull the trigger myself, but why are we killing people with no connection whatsoever to that atrocity?

The idea of Bush and Blair sitting together praying gives me shivers. Separation of Church and State, people! Isn't that what your Constitution says?

Both of them have been proved to be liars, and to have taken our countries and our young men and women into war on completely fabricated grounds. I confess, I'm glad the Taliban are no longer in power in Afghanistan, but it's the height of idiocy to believe that we went into Iraq for any other primary reason than OIL!

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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:20am
I have to agree, the international antagonism to the States is, in my opinion, directly related to the fact that Bush clearly gives no credence to other nations' opinions or views. Another poster to this site actually said to me that the day her country had to seek approval from the United Nations would be the saddest day in US history. These viewpoints filter down from the top of the pile, and are incredibly detrimental to your country's international standing.
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:21am
Terrorism is a global issue. EVERY country has links to Al'Qaieda (or more correctly, their tentacles have reached into every country)....some much stronger than Iraq. The War in Iraq was a diversion of attention and resources from the real strategy of garnering international cooperation to root these terrorists out. Add to the fact that the growing death toll in Iraq and continued instability there is doing nothing more than creating new justifications for terrorists as well as weakining the US military's responsiveness in the event that one of the more dangerous countries (North Korea, Iran) make their move.

Perhaps they are just biding thier time until America's resources are stretched to the limit before making thier move. Another thing this Iraq war has done is give America's enemies a good idea of precisely where their weaknesses lie.

Imagine what this $100B spent in Iraq could have done if used more intelligently in combatting the international networks of terrorist cells. Imagine what the overwhelming support the world had for America after 9/11 would have to done to ensure international cooperation in working together to rid the world of terrorism?


Glad to see that you found the little flag icon....looks good on you ;o)

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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:22am
what's a CL? Sorry, I'm Brit and not familiar with US political shorthand
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:22am

I can't speak to his character since I

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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:25am

Another poster to this site actually said to me that the day her country had to seek approval from the United Nations would be the saddest day in US history. These viewpoints filter down from the top of the pile, and are incredibly detrimental to your country's international standing.


Please don't judge us all by the few (including our president). This is so arrogant and so ignorant to say and so embarassing. We don't all feel that way, believe me!

Donna

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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:28am

(Sarcasm On)

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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:48am
CL is not a political term.
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:54am
thank you Tracey, I'm also new to IVillage US!
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:55am
I do believe that at first Blair saw his role in the Iraq war as a go between or negotiator between Bush and the UN. I do think that Blair actually believes in the UN.

It's no secret that Saddam has also been a burr in Britain's side (he is a dispicable man). We also can't forget the long and complicated history shared by British foreign policiy and the problems currently in Iraq. Britain has it's own dirty laundry and mistakes to atone for when it comes to Iraq.




Edited 9/1/2004 11:00 am ET ET by suemox

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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 11:00am
I believe that was Blair's initial view, and I think he was largely responsible for making Bush wait even as long as he did (resolution 1441) but one of the reasons i have little respect for him is that he didn't hold on to his own views, nor respect ours. A referendum on the war was repeatedly called for, but we were never given it. To be honest, I think he has become as guilty of ignoring his own people as Bush is of ignoring the international community. Which is sad, because he started out with a lot of promise and a measure of sincerity.
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