Dems Open Bar-No Repukes welcome

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Dems Open Bar-No Repukes welcome
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Tue, 08-31-2004 - 2:41pm
Was with a bit of amusement that I saw the Republicans in here has a thread that we are supposed to stay out of (see Republican Treehouse)....guess they feel a need to have secret meetings, and might even have a secret handshake to get through the door, so thought those of us on the side of reason and intellect should have our own little hide-away as it were. So, kick your shoes off, pour yourself a drink and lets discuss the issues.

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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 4:12pm
Just yesterday, I had this discussion about the same topic with my husband and he was also annoyed with Kerry about that. I tried to explain it this way. First, kerry authorized the President to take whatever action necessary so that he can talk to other countries with more authority. so he voted for the authority and he would have still voted for the authority even after knowing about no WMD. Let me explain why...

I am originally from India, and I have observed that US foreign policy is pretty much same for certain countries whether a Republican is in power or a democrat. Its policy to support Pakistan more than India has not changed, it policy to support Israel against Palestine has not changed and it policy against Iraq is also pretty much consistent even since Bush Sr. So whether it is democrat or republican, Iraq is the enemy and Saddam had to go out. But the main problem is how Bush tried to eliminate him is in question. I actually admire Kerry that he admitted that he wouldn't change his vote to influence the election. I think he had guts to stand up for the truth and I am sure he knew he would get hammered by republicans and democrats for that answer. But this just shows he knows certain things about American foreign policy and he admitted the truth.

This is just my take on this. My husband was pretty angry at him for saying that he would have still voted for him but I said, that make him earn my respect and after I explained him he said "yeah, you seem to be right".

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Registered: 08-31-2003
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 5:34pm
What I read is intolerance for another point of view.
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 5:44pm
What I meant that was what my eyes see...perhaps that's because I'm not totally thrilled with the title of the thread either.

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Registered: 08-05-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 8:00pm
I think it'd be cool to get a call from Kerry. Do you think he'd ask the person's question's about stuff? I'd love to sit down and talk one-on-one with him just about various things and then talk to Bush and see how their answers differ. I think it'd be intersting. XOXO.
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Registered: 08-05-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 8:22pm
I also think some people just don't like to read much about everything going on cause they're too busy. I'm definietly reading all I can about the two men. I think my dad is for Bush (ugh) and I was talking with him about some election stuff last night and when I saw Bush on t.v. talking I just made a ugh face and I think my Dad knows I'm for Kerry and his defense was how we haven't had any attacks since Bush has been in office and taken control over everything. That is true, but what about all the families who have been torn apart over seas who aren't involved with everything and soliders who are in the war? My Dad can be pretty smart in some things and I think if he had time he'd read up on everything and maybe give Kerry a chance. I think if a lot of people who were for Bush just would read up on everything then they can make the decision on their own without being fed stuff with all these conventions and whatnot. Are they going to have a debate with the two? I was talking with someone last night who lives in Canada and asked them what they thought of Bush and they said they thought he was an idiot. He had to leave so I didn't get to ask why and what he thought of Kerry. I'll have to ask next time I have a chance to talk to them. XOXO.
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 8:25pm
I think with people today having their jobs and living in a fast-paced world people love to be fed information and rely on the news to be honest. So if the local news or CNN or whoever talks something bad about Kerry and don't look into it themselves then they automatically think it has to be true cause the President said it. I wonder what Bush's friends and buddies are like...I've often heard people say your character is shown with the people you do or don't hang out with. *shrug* Oh and I find it I guess neat/cool that even though Kerry was in a rock band you never hear about him drinking or doing drugs like some rockers do back in his past. At least I haven't yet. XOXO.
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 8:30pm
I wouldn't doubt it. And you see pics and media showcasing him sitting with kids reading. I read somewhere on the boards that there was a photo of Bush reading to a little kid but in the photo the book is upside down. Does anybody know about that? I personally love reading better than watching t.v. or a movie. It expands your vocabulary and is just fun. I don't see how anybody can not like reading whether it's fiction or a true-based story. Too many people like to watch movies. I am a movie girl myself but if the movie is based on a book I love to read the book before the movie and compare the two and just see what it's about and if I should waste my time on the movie. If Bush does be told what he's signing what if someone is misinformed or hands the wrong thing and Bush signs it and it could cause problems? Wouldn't he want to read all the contracts himself and have a lawyer with him? *Shrug* XOXO.
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 8:32pm
I think it's stubornness. I'm the same way. Once I have my mind made up about something I stick with it and I don't like to admit I'm wrong. Now, if I'm told I'm wrong about something then I look into it and if I find proof I'm wrong then I'll apologize and everything. XOXO.
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 8:34pm
Do you think Kerry knows a lot of other things that go on in the house? XOXO.
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:07pm
i was just talking to fellow dems (in person) and we're concerned about kerry's electability and we're choosing to respond by spending more time at our local phone bank, posting more signs and talking to more people.

this swift vet argument is just distracting americans from important issues:

1) bush sent us to war without good justification. no wmds found yet. bush flip-flopped justifying the war to find wmds. then when they were nowhere to be found he said he went there for humanitarian reasons. yet, the efforts to help iraqis is disproportionate to his choice to ignore other less fortunate countries. talk about flip-flopping!

2) education: "no child left behind"? that's been a huge flop. talk to teachers who are subjected to the requirements of this system which is actually leaving MORE kids behind. instead they've been fudging with the numbers to make it LOOK like bush's plan is working. and, they are not supporting head start. on and on.

3) economy: again, fudging with the numbers. we have higher unemployment numbers losing increasing jobs to foreigners.

4) security: i somewhat agree with mystic's analogy to bush's inability to secure the RNC. but, moreso i think the number of protesters exemplifies how bush has made us LESS SAFE because so many people hate americans now! every time i travel another country i hear and see first-hand anti-american sentiment. and they all think bush is an idiot. i hope i don't have to apologize for our government for another 4 years!

5) more of the same: my opinion but the "pubbies" are still a bunch of good 'ol boys. they're talking about all the generations of bushes but that just wreaks of nepotism. i listened to the bush twins talk and some are defending them because they're just kids. 22 years old and yale and univ. of texas grads and they're still kids? just like they're dad, they went to college but it didn't mean much. they had connections so that's why they're where they're at. not because of hard work, intelligence, work ethic, or experience. it's being fed by a silver spoon and in turn everything they touch is tarnished.

okay, i know this is supposed to be the dems open bar but i'm sure the repukes will have something to say since they can't respect the initial purpose of this board.

kerry/edwards!!

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