Serious Question Bush Supporters

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Serious Question Bush Supporters
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Wed, 09-01-2004 - 4:58pm
Hello all you Bushonites:

One thing that seems to be abundantly clear to everyone, is without exception, all those who are planning to vote for Bush in the upcoming election believe without a doubt that he is the best man to lead us in this time of war, he is the one man that can keep us safe, and the borders of our country secure.

Now, living here in New York, I probably am keeping tabs on this Republican Convention more so than others and catching things as they unfold. This is George Bush's convention, his PEOPLE planned it, orchestrated, planned out and implemented security for the event. George Bush the man who has a plan to win the war on terror, the man who you all believe will keep us safe is the one who will in fact take all the credit (rightfully so) for this convention if all things go well.

So, here is my question...Bush is the man who will keep us safe, and protect our borders. If as you believe, this is so true, then can you explain to me how it is that he and his people cannot even properly secure and keep safe the Republican Convention Hall here in NYC? First a protestor successfully went through the Secret Service screenings, got approved to be a greeter, then worked his way through various check points approved by Bush and his staff, walked right past various Secret Service Agents and got within TEN FEET of Vice President Cheney to deliver personally and upclose his message of protest. Now today, not one, but a small army of protestors again managed to walk right through the security net approved by Bush, made their way through a host of Secret Service and other Security Personel, managed to get not just onto the floor of the Republican Convention, but clear up to the front of said Convention where they successfully managed to hold their protest up front and center stage as they successfully managed to interupt and halt President Bush's Whitehouse Chief of Staff in the middle of his speech!

Now seriously, is this the kind of situation one would expect from the man that you all seem so readily willing to entrust the safety of our nation to?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 5:21pm
Personally, I cannot speak for Bush supporters, but I just wanted to say that I think there are upwards of some 500,000 protesters in NY alone.

I think it is great!

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 5:30pm
Democratic convention....a couple of thousand protestors at best. Now, for those who say these protestors just protest to protest, and show up at everything, where were they in Boston.

New York as you point out has close to a half of a million protestors on hand.

Yet, this most bring up a very serious question. Bush promises to keep US SAFE. Now, it is his Secret Service People and Whitehouse staff that see to his security any where and everywhere he goes or is scheduled to go. Local papers say that the Federal Government has spent some 50 million dollars on this convention, and the city of New York under their (Secret Service) another 70 million dollars so that the Republicans could hold their convention in our city.

Seriously, if Bush and those who are his staff charged with security cannot even keep ONE BUILDING SAFE for four days, how can we put our faith in him as president to keep our nation safe?

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Registered: 07-29-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 5:35pm
I'm not a Bush supporter either, but this is kind of a strange analogy you make. How is keeping protesters at bay the same as protecting our country from terrorism? Are you suggesting that they should be using force (ie - guns, tanks, air strikes, tactical units and special forces, etc) to keep protesters out of the convention? That is absurd. You are comparing apples and oranges. It's a comfort for me to know that people can peacefully protest in this country without too much force being used to keep the crowds at bay.

People (both sides) are getting just a little out of hand with all of this. It's splitting our country up and I don't like what it is doing. People are getting way too angry. I just can't wait until the election is over whoever wins. We are one country. Let's show the rest of the world that we stand united.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-29-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 5:38pm
"Seriously, if Bush and those who are his staff charged with security cannot even keep ONE BUILDING SAFE for four days, how can we put our faith in him as president to keep our nation safe?"

Are you saying that Bush protestors are endangering the people within that building? Give me a break.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 8:23pm
My point is this....Between the local and federal wallets, Bush's security team has spent 120 million dollars on making the convention here in NY safe...

For the most part, our New York City Police are handling all security duties outside of Madison Square Garden, while Bush and his team of security experts handle inside of the building.

Now, if his hand picked team cannot even keep one building in one city safe, if they cannot make sure to proper check ID's well enough as people enter the building to keep a few (not bent on harm) protestors out of the building, a safe distance from the Vice President, and off of the actual convention floor, how can Bush expect us to believe that he is the man with a plan to keep our country safe, and keep international terrorists on the outside of our borders looking it?

Maybe you think it a strange analogy, but I do not. I have experience with putting together large events in site specific venues, and it is not overly difficult to make sure that my security measures are good enough to keep those out of the building who are not supposed to be there. If Bush and the people he surrounds himself cannot do that basic task, how can they handle the much larger task?

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 8:27pm
You are going to tell me that someone getting within ten feet of the nations Vice President is not a serious security mistake? Sure, it was a protestor, said protestor meant no harm....BUT, what if he had, what if it had not been a protestor. In this case, it was a kid with a simple plan who attends Yale. He filled out an online volunteer sheet at FOX, got contacted, showed up for the basic training, got his basic red volunteer shirt and WALLA, is able to get within ten feet of the second most powerful man in the United States of America and you do not see a serious lapse in security, you do not suddenly question the Bush teams claim that they are the ones that can keep us safe?
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Registered: 08-22-2003
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:31pm
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Maybe I missed something. Did somebody get killed or injured as a result of some protestors getting in?


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Registered: 03-24-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 9:45pm
No no one was injured or killed, however this is an important thought. What if they were not protestors but terrorists. In the news lately they have been saying that al-quaida are recruiting people that would not raise attention. They are getting people that are not arab looking. I am muslim but if I didnt cover no one would know. I am white, blonde hair, blue-eyed female.

Now looking at it that way, do you not feel that these protestors getting thru security as easily as they did is a problem? If they can do it at a specific place that has immense security, how hard can it be elsewhere? If he can't even have his own convention protected, how can he do the entire country?

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:01pm
No, but one of the protestors breached security, made it past the Secret Service and got within ten feet of Vice President Cheney in his private box Tuesday night and was shouting obsenities to his face.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-01-2004 - 10:07pm
Sondra....THANK GOD someone understands the importance of the point I am making in this thread.

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