Kerry Caught In Lie About V.P. Cheney

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Kerry Caught In Lie About V.P. Cheney
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 9:53pm
I have been watching the talk shows today and I noticed that John Forbes Kerry, and all of the Democrat spokespersons have said that V.P. Cheney said in his speech to the RNC that Kerry was "unfit for command", then they go off into a tirade "This from a man.. yada yada who never went to Vietnam"... Have you guys heard this?

Well I watched V. P. Cheney's speech and I did not recall him saying that John Forbes Kerry was "unfit for command". So I went to a transcript of the speech and found that he didn't say anything of the sort! They just made it up so they could lead into the slam they had planned for Cheney, lol.

Here is everything that Cheney said about Kerry:

"And so it is time to set the alternatives squarely before the American people.

The President's opponent is an experienced senator. He speaks often of his service in Vietnam, and we honor him for it. But there is also a record of more than three decades since. And on the question of America's role in the world, the differences between Senator Kerry and President Bush are the sharpest, and the stakes for the country are the highest. History has shown that a strong and purposeful America is vital to preserving freedom and keeping us safe — yet time and again Senator Kerry has made the wrong call on national security. Senator Kerry began his political career by saying he would like to see our troops deployed "only at the directive of the United Nations." During the 1980s, Senator Kerry opposed Ronald Reagan's major defense initiatives that brought victory in the Cold War. In 1991, when Saddam Hussein occupied Kuwait and stood poised to dominate the Persian Gulf, Senator Kerry voted against Operation Desert Storm.

Even in this post-9/11 period, Senator Kerry doesn't appear to understand how the world has changed. He talks about leading a "more sensitive war on terror," as though Al Qaeda will be impressed with our softer side. He declared at the Democratic Convention that he will forcefully defend America — after we have been attacked. My fellow Americans, we have already been attacked, and faced with an enemy who seeks the deadliest of weapons to use against us, we cannot wait for the next attack. We must do everything we can to prevent it — and that includes the use of military force.

Senator Kerry denounces American action when other countries don't approve — as if the whole object of our foreign policy were to please a few persistent critics. In fact, in the global war on terror, as in Afghanistan and Iraq, President Bush has brought many allies to our side. But as the President has made very clear, there is a difference between leading a coalition of many, and submitting to the objections of a few. George W. Bush will never seek a permission slip to defend the American people.

Senator Kerry also takes a different view when it comes to supporting our military. Although he voted to authorize force against Saddam Hussein, he then decided he was opposed to the war, and voted against funding for our men and women in the field. He voted against body armor, ammunition, fuel, spare parts, armored vehicles, extra pay for hardship duty, and support for military families. Senator Kerry is campaigning for the position of commander in chief. Yet he does not seem to understand the first obligation of a commander in chief — and that is to support American troops in combat.

In his years in Washington, John Kerry has been one of a hundred votes in the United States Senate — and very fortunately on matters of national security, his views rarely prevailed. But the presidency is an entirely different proposition. A senator can be wrong for 20 years, without consequence to the nation. But a president — a president — always casts the deciding vote. And in this time of challenge, America needs — and America has — a president we can count on to get it right.

On Iraq, Senator Kerry has disagreed with many of his fellow Democrats. But Senator Kerry's liveliest disagreement is with himself. His back-and- forth reflects a habit of indecision, and sends a message of confusion. And it is all part of a pattern. He has, in the last several years, been for the No Child Left Behind Act — and against it. He has spoken in favor of the North American Free Trade Agreement — and against it. He is for the Patriot Act — and against it. Senator Kerry says he sees two Americas. It makes the whole thing mutual — America sees two John Kerrys."



So, they just made this up that Cheney had said something that he didn't say so that they could lead into the "All this from a man who didn't go to Vietnam, yadda, yadda, yadda as if anybody cared if Cheney ever went to Vietnam. These guys are completely clueless. If they would lie about something so stupid they would lie about anything.

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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 10:44pm
I heard Kerry's remarks given by himself on talk radio today. I posted it somewhere here on the boards but don't remember where. Isn't he pathetic? He's asking his supporters to vote for him based on his service during the Viet Nam war, not on his senate record for the past 2 decades. What a moron!
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 10:50pm
I saw it last night. After President Bush's moving speech, his talk seemed really petty. He seemed to be trying to perform a standup comedy act. Pathetic is the right word to use.
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 11:06pm
Have you read Zell Miller's Devastating Recitation of Kerry's Record on Rush's website?

Here you go:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/weekend_sites/083004_090304/content/rush_is_right_2.guest.html

What will the spin machine be churning out to save Kerry's faltering image? The attacks on the 64 Swift Boat vets have had the opposite effect. People are finally digging in deeper into Kerry's past, his betrayal of Viet Nam vets.

Kerry: I fought for my country, before I fought against my country. <---That should be a bumper sticker.

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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 11:30pm
Have you checked this out?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/fstack.guest.html

It would be so darn funny if it wasn't so serious!


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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 12:15am
Thanks!
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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 12:19am
Benedict Arnold was a military hero before he sold out America for financial gain. Kerry was also (viewed as) a military hero before he sold out his country for political gain.

Thanks for the links. I have read some of it and have bookmarked it for later.


Edited 9/4/2004 12:21 am ET ET by iminnie833

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 12:20am
Par for the coarse. They'll make up just about anything to fit their rhetoric.

Renee ~~~

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 12:30am
The Republicans are hoping that you're dumb!

The following is from http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/09/02_lakoff_gop3.shtml

(it's alot easier to read at the link - when I paste it here the formating is weird.)

Let's concentrate on the deliberate distortions.



Zell Miller: Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security, but Americans need to know the facts.




Miller claims that Senator Kerry opposed the B-1 and B-2 bombers, the F-14A Tomcat and F-14D fighter jets by voting against them.



Miller: I could go on and on and on: Against the Patriot Missile that shot down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel. Against the Aegis air-defense cruiser. Against the Strategic Defense Initiative. Against the Trident missile, against, against, against. This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed Forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?




"The facts"? This list was mostly taken from a single Kerry vote in 1991 against a spending bill that was also opposed by five Republican senators. Outside the frame is the fact that Cheney, then Secretary of Defense and the overseer of the department's budget, around that same time killed a number of major weapons systems, including the Navy’s $30 billion to $60 billion A-12 Stealth fighter. Cheney tried but failed to kill the F14D jet — the one that Miller proudly proclaims "delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora" — and restricted the B-2 Stealth bomber program to 20 planes, when the Air Force wanted more than 80.

Over and over in this convention, speakers have used the phrase "voted against X" to condemn Kerry. But a bill is a collection of many, many items, and a vote to pass it or not can be characterized as a vote for or against any of those items.

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 12:35am
Associated Press Sept 3, 2004

Bush Leaves Out Complex Facts in Speech

by Calvin Woodward



NEW YORK - President Bush's boast of a 30-member-strong coalition in Iraq masked the reality that the United States is bearing the overwhelming share of costs, in lives and troop commitments. And in claiming to have routed most al-Qaida leaders, he did not mention that the big one got away.

Bush's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention on Thursday night brought the nation a collection of facts that told only part of the story, hardly unusual for this most political of occasions.

He took some license in telling Americans that Democratic opponent John Kerry "is running on a platform of increasing taxes."

Kerry would, in fact, raise taxes on the richest 2 percent of Americans as part of a plan to keep the Bush tax cuts for everyone else and even cut some of them more. That's not exactly a tax-increase platform.

And on education, Bush voiced an inherent contradiction, dating back to his 2000 campaign, in stating his stout support for local control of education, yet promising to toughen federal standards that override local decision-making.

"We are insisting on accountability, empowering parents and teachers, and making sure that local people are in charge of their schools," he said, on one hand. Yet, "we will require a rigorous exam before graduation."

On Iraq, Bush derided Kerry for devaluing the alliance that drove out Saddam Hussein and is trying to rebuild the country. "Our allies also know the historic importance of our work," Bush said. "About 40 nations stand beside us in Afghanistan, and some 30 in Iraq."

But the United States has more than five times the number of troops in Iraq than all the other countries put together. And, with 976 killed, Americans have suffered nearly eight times more deaths than the other allies combined.

Bush aggressively defended progress in Afghanistan, too. "Today, the government of a free Afghanistan is fighting terror, Pakistan is capturing terrorist leaders ... and more than three-quarters of al-Qaida's key members and associates have been detained or killed. We have led, many have joined, and America and the world are safer."

Nowhere did Bush mention Osama bin Laden, nor did he account for the replacement of killed and captured al al-Qaida leaders by others.

Bush's address wasn't the only one this week that glossed over some realities.

Vice President Dick Cheney, trying to make Kerry look wobbly on defense, implied in his speech that Kerry would wait until the United States is hit by a foe before hitting back. "He declared at the Democratic convention that he will forcefully defend America after we have been attacked," Cheney said.

New York Gov. George Pataki echoed Cheney's line of criticism Thursday night.

Kerry said in his convention speech, "Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response." But he also spoke of pre-emptive action in that address, saying a threat that is "real and imminent" is also a justification for war.

In his keynote address, Sen. Zell Miller attacked Kerry for Senate votes against the Navy F-14D Tomcat fighter and the B-2 bomber - the heart of his case that the Democrat has stood against essential weapons systems.

He ignored the fact that Cheney, as defense secretary, canceled the F-14 and submitted a budget scaling back production of the B-2.

Miller also said Kerry has made it clear he "would use military force only if approved by the U.N.," a stretch of Kerry's position. Kerry told his convention "I will never hesitate to use force when it is required" and "I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security."

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 12:43am
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And you're proving that liberals cannot treat those with opposing views with common courtesy. Citing a source from Berserksly, a liberal bastion? The Democrats thank you for your gullibility.

Bottom line: Kerry has not done anything of note to help arm our military through his 20 years as senator. You and Berserksly's elites can nit-pick all you want. It doesn't alter the fact that Kerry is anti-military and given numerous occasions, he failed to support our military.

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