Pro life suggestions

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Pro life suggestions
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Wed, 09-08-2004 - 12:49am
Today I was leaving school, walking thru the parking lot and talking to my friend Kristi on the phone, when I passed a car that was covered with anti-abortion stickers all over the rear window, so much that it there was only a square foot space for the driver to see through, (So I asked myself how pro life that person could really be since traffic fatalities did not seem to mean a thing to him, and it was indeed a him, because i saw him driving later on today)

FIRST THING FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM A PRO LIFE LIBERAL!!!!

My friend Kristi, who I was talking ot on the phone as I walked by is a social worker. I told her about this car and she said something that I found to be very thoughtful and I wanted to share it with anyone who is a real pro lifer. She said, "If those people are so pro life, why don't they become foster parents? Or volunteer in the big brothers big sisters program? Or donate money or time to teen parenting aide programs, or teen sex education? If a person is really pro life, why stop with the unborn, it seems hypocritical..." I thought what she said made a whole lot of sense. Being a pro life liberal, it made me examine my own life, and what I am doing to support life that already exists.

And that, to keep on topic with this board, made me ask which party is helping more with these lives that exist already? obviously none of them are going to outlaw abortion, but, who is more willing to help these kids when they are born?

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 3:50am
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This should be the question that all pro life advocates must ask themselves, but then they'd have to ask why they support the death penalty and why they support a pre-emptive war.

BTW I too am pro life, but I'm a fiscal conservative and a somewhat social liberal.

C

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Registered: 08-07-2004
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 7:32am
My response has always been, don't want an abortion? Then don't have one.
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Registered: 05-29-2003
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 8:36am
There is no contradiction between being pro-life and pro-death penalty.

A fetus is an innocent person.

A convicted murderer is a guilty one.
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Wed, 09-08-2004 - 9:08am
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How does she know they don't? Talk about jumping to conclusions .... this is someone you only saw driving in a car for God's sake, you don't know the first thing about him. I know PLENTY of pro-life people who do everything you mentioned above and then some.

On the other hand, as one pro-life friend of mine said, "Just because I'm pro-life doesn't mean I'm responsible for other people's irresponsibility."

Bev

Edited 9/8/2004 9:17 am ET ET by bgs3


Edited 9/8/2004 9:18 am ET ET by bgs3

girl in chair
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 10:20am

My response has always been, don't want an abortion? Then don't have one.


It is my response too. They have no right to push and legislate their opinions on others.

Donna
Donna
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Registered: 08-20-2004
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 10:39am
You wrote: "There is no contradiction between being pro-life and pro-death penalty.

A fetus is an innocent person.

A convicted murderer is a guilty one."

As we all know by now, many convicted murderers are actually innocent. In fact, some have actually been murdered (especially in Texas, the land of the "legal" murderers) before DNA evidence came around. If you can justify killing innocent people just to kill a guilty one that is truly sick. Even if there are 10 murderers and one innocent person, you should never make the mistake of killing.

And we all know that the death penalty does nothing to inhibit people from killing anyway. It just costs tax payers a lot of money in legal fees.

And a fetus is not an "innocent person." It is attached to the mother. They are connected. Anything the mother does affects the fetus. What are we going to do, lock all pregnant women up to make sure they eat the right diet, don't smoke or drink? Where do you draw the line? Frankly, a woman can do whatever she wants with her own body.

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Registered: 05-12-2004
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 11:44am
I don't think that most pro lifers support the death penalty, at least the catholic ones I know, and that does not mean I took a poll, but the Catholic church is against the death penalty...

I am pro life for myself. But in all honesty if I'd gotten pregnant at say, 19, I may very well have had an abortion. It was not having babies that changed my mind either. I don't condemn others that do it. I have a numner of close friends who have had abortions, some feel bad some don't. I don't really ask them about it, it is their business not mine.
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Wed, 09-08-2004 - 11:57am
I assume she is basing her ideas on the fact that she is a social worker, and goes through lots of profiles every day and through many aspects of her job, she meets people...loads of people, and gets to know very personal things about them, that is what a social worker does, anyhow, there are simply not a lot of pro-life activists that are foster parents, in fact she can't name a one. Foster families, (at least around here) tend to be lower income, or lower middle class non-traditional households and tend to be on the liberal side of things. As for the big brothers big sisters program, I am certian there are a lot of pro lifers involved there. I think the statement she was making was get off of the street corner, and give some help to the people who ARE having their babies, instead of leaving them high and dry. SHe knows who is in these programs in our area as she is involved in most of them, and I am in some. protesters are by planned parenthood three days a week for five hour days on my way to school. That is when the abortions take place there. It is the same people every time, and It makes sense that they could be spending some of that time helping people who did not abort thier babies, but need help. That is all. protests are great, and it is our right, but lets work FOR something too, not against everything. Like habitat for humanity, AID to women and children centers, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, etc...
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Registered: 08-20-2004
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 12:41pm
I completely agree. I could understand outlawing abortion if you give women other options. Like socializing health care so poor women can afford birth control. Or providing free day care. Unfortunately, conservatives for the most part decry the idea of socialized health care and favor tax breaks for the rich and cutting public programs - such as day care and welfare - for women who have babies.

If you outlaw abortion and the above you are left with a society of homeless people. Especially in this atmosphere of high unemployment, explosive deficit and cuts to public services.

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Registered: 02-16-2004
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 12:52pm
Yes, heaven forbid that people should actually make sure they are capable of taking care of a baby before they engage in the act whose main purpose is procreation. Heaven forbid that people should be held accountable for their actions. Heaven forbid that the children shouldn't have to pay the price for the actions of their parents. Heaven forbid that people should take care of themselves. Let's get the government to do everything for us - why stop at Day Care and Health Care? Why not have the government feed and clothe us and supply us with houses, cars, and entertainment centers? Let's get it all! Why should we have to be responsible for ourselves? What's government for if not to caretake us our whole lives so we never have to grow up? Then we can do whatever we want with no worries, least of all worries about the human lives we create and then destroy.

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