BUSH IS EVIL

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Registered: 08-20-2004
BUSH IS EVIL
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Wed, 09-08-2004 - 10:51am
After reading all these posts, its seems fruitless to even argue with eachother. Bush is just plain evil. That's it. He will be remembered in 100 years (if he doesn't destroy the world before then) as a terrible person, like Pinnochet, Stalin, etc. There is no arguing. He is causing misery and heartache to too many people to ignore this fact.

Bush just wants to start a holy war. And the fundamentalist Muslims want to keep him in power so the war can begin.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-11-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 2:49pm
I thought liberals wanted to change the constitution?
iVillage Member
Registered: 08-20-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 3:17pm
Actually the constitution is a great tool by which to lead this nation. Too bad the neo-conservatives are trying to destroy it.

For example what they are doing to free speech

- FLAG DESECRATION: For more than a decade, the Citizen's Flag Alliance and others have expended seemingly endless resources lobbying candidates and members of Congress to pass a constitutional amendment giving the government the power to prohibit the physical desecration of the American flag. Such a constitutional amendment would undermine the very principles for which the American flag stands.

- THE RIGHT TO PROTEST - Can you imagine participants of the Boston Tea Party having to ask the British government's permission to protest them? That's what the Bush Administration has been doing to peaceful protestors around the country, especially recently in New York.

- GOVERNMENT FUNDED RELIGION (what ever happened to a separation between Church and State?) - Earlier this month the Senate made clear that it would not allow federally funded religious discrimination. Despite this, the Bush Administration and several Members of Congress continue to promote religious discrimination with taxpayer funds. Their most recent legislative attempt would roll-back key civil rights protections and will soon be considered on the Senate floor. http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertylist.cfm?c=37

AND THE CULMINATION OF IT ALL, THE INFAMOUS, ANTI-PATRIOTIC AND UN-CONSTITUTIONAL PATRIOT ACT



iVillage Member
Registered: 09-08-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 3:44pm
You sound like a bleeding heart liberal who hates this country. Why don't you just go overseas and live with the radical muslims for awhile. You will come home with your tail between your knees!

That is so ridiculous. I lived in a Muslim country for 2 years, and they were peaceful, understanding, patient people who did not hate "freedom" and "democracy". It's funny how many people forget how brutal and violent Christianity was and is. And how oppressive to women! I also can't stand the argument that liberals should leave the country just b/c we criticize our government. Isn't that what we are fighting for in Iraq? The right to question our administration, our President, and our foreign policy? I thought that was the point. But, I guess I'm just a bleeding heart and should go move to France or something.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-03-2003
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 3:53pm
Nice play, but you need to keep in mind that playing loose with the Constitution is by no means the province of conservatives alone. Liberals have their own particular interests, and the Constitution has been discarded by them as well when they felt it was required.

That's not defending Patriot and Patriot II, but simply noting that it's not as cut and dried a partisan issue as you make it out to be.

~mark~

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-24-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 3:55pm


Question, why don't you?

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-20-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 3:58pm
You write: "Nice play, but you need to keep in mind that playing loose with the Constitution is by no means the province of conservatives alone. Liberals have their own particular interests, and the Constitution has been discarded by them as well when they felt it was required.

That's not defending Patriot and Patriot II, but simply noting that it's not as cut and dried a partisan issue as you make it out to be."

I think you are missing the point and playing right into the hands of the partisans. This isn't about "liberal" vs. "conservative." In fact, McNamara (who I mentioned in a previous post) worked for the democrats. This is about conserving our democracy and freedom - something any true American patriot should be concerned with. Up until now, both Democrats and Republicans have been pretty much the same. The point I am making is that Bush has taken it to a new level. He has brought in religious fundamentalism to his platform. I am strongly against the idea of turning the U.S. into a Christian fundamentalist state.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-24-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 4:04pm


What country did you live in, if you dont mind me asking? I thank you for your description of the people you were surrounded by, it is a vast difference than what many on this board tend to reflect them as being. I am muslim, and I have never personally met anyoone who had enough hatred to kill anyone in this country or another one for that matter. I am more outspoken than most of the muslims I know. I have come to understand that people do the most horrible atrocities in the name of religion, but it is not because of the religion they do these things, it is for power and greed.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-03-2003
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 4:05pm
No, I got that point. The other point here is that you're making conservatives in general (and Bush in particular) to be the only group which has attempted to subvert or circumvent the Constitution when they felt it was the thing to do, and that's simply incorrect.

Bush may or may not have taken it to a new level, but lets not pretend this is another purely partisan-based issue. Liberals and democrats have just about as much history of violating or attempting to violate the word of the Constitution as conservatives, neo- or otherwise. Ignoring that fact doesn't do your argument or your concerns any justice.

~mark~

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-24-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 4:10pm
One more thing, with the U.S. being the most "freedom-filled" and "democratic" country in the world, you have the audacity to tell someone they should flee their native homeland because of their beliefs. If I am not mistaken, that is exactly why the U.S. has policed the world to help other countries overcome this type of attitude. Some people will never learn.
iVillage Member
Registered: 09-08-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 4:28pm
I lived in Senegal, West Africa - 95% Muslim country. Sadly, though, by the time I was leaving, fundamentalists from Mauritania and Sudan were coming in and distributing literature. The people of Senegal didn't really understand 9/11 - how could they? Most of them have never seen a skyscraper, or an airplane, or more an American! What people in this country and internationally fail to realize is that the fundamentalist Muslims hate the moderates - they want to kill them too! It's a war on anyone who doesn't want to revert to Sharia (Islamic law).

I also get angry when people say that Islam is the most violent religion - have they never read the Bible?

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