BUSH IS EVIL

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Registered: 08-20-2004
BUSH IS EVIL
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Wed, 09-08-2004 - 10:51am
After reading all these posts, its seems fruitless to even argue with eachother. Bush is just plain evil. That's it. He will be remembered in 100 years (if he doesn't destroy the world before then) as a terrible person, like Pinnochet, Stalin, etc. There is no arguing. He is causing misery and heartache to too many people to ignore this fact.

Bush just wants to start a holy war. And the fundamentalist Muslims want to keep him in power so the war can begin.

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Registered: 09-06-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 4:11pm
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You may want to check out the movie "Outfoxed" (on DVD, although also currently playing at a theater where I live) for a different take on Fox News. Also, I wouldn't call NBC liberal, necessarily, they are owned by GE, a giant defense contractor and big contributor to Republican causes.....

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Registered: 09-06-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 4:24pm
Check out the funny O'Reilly story I posted over on the "In the News" board,under "Lite News".....

http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-elinthenews&msg=7172.1&ctx=0

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-12-2001
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 4:30pm
Ah, well. At least it wasn't "Justin Tyme." ;-) Some folks obviously have way too much time on their hands. Doesn't change my opinion of O'Reilly, though.

Bev

girl in chair
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Registered: 09-06-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 4:32pm
I knew it wouldn't change your mind, not even sure it's true, it was just for a laugh!
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-31-2003
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 5:02pm
Oh dear, has whren declared herself the winner of another argument? She and I went round and round about "Against All Enemies" when it came out, even though she admitted that she never read it. Nothing in the book has been "discounted as false". Although the Bush administration did their best to discredit the author in general, they didn't take him on about specifics in the book. There were alot of semantic arguments about whether Rice was handed a "plan" to fight terrorism or a "series of actions"...you can see how ridiculous the whole thing became. What exactly do you think was discredited?
iVillage Member
Registered: 08-07-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 6:17pm
This is all in response to someone saying the Iraqi civilians were not murdered. I responded that they would probably disagree.

I'm so concerned with the Iraqis that I'm upset over 10 thousand died in the process of liberating them, got that straight? Horrible of me huh? Somehow I thought liberating them would NOT lead to that many dead, it disappoints me, it's counter productive. How many dead Iraqi civilians are OK with you? How many is too many? Do you have a limit? I do, & we have exceeded it.

No, we aren't worse than Hussein, how silly of you to say that. But at the rate things are going, the Iraqis aren't going to think we are any better than Hussein. And that leads to more of our soldiers getting killed. See how that works? I'm concerned about Iraqis & I'm really really concerned about our soldiers. I'm sure you are too. Why not try to find common ground instead of throwing anger & sarcasmm around?

Listing all the things Hussein did while in power (with our support) won't change whats going on now. You shouldn't assume that "if I had my way" it would all still be going on. If I had my way, things would be a whole lot different, but it wouldn't be the way you assume I would want it. Don't throw you preconcieved notions at me OK?

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Registered: 02-16-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 9:50pm
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I don't think any deaths are OK, but I also understand that people die during war. We lost 500,000 soldiers in World War II. Does that mean we shouldn't have fought it? Is the world better off now, having lost all those soldiers even to take out Germany and Japan, or should we have stayed out of it? MY limit of Iraqis killed was reached long before we went to war - I think Hussein should never have been allowed to stay in power long enough to become the monster he was. So what would have been your limit of Iraqis tortured, raped, maimed, and murdered under Hussein before action would have been justified? It's already been established that he murdered around 3 million people. How many more millions would it have taken to make it okay in your view to do something about it?

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I got my notion of what "your way" would have been from what YOU have posted all over this board, and your position has been very clear: you think it was WRONG of us to go to war in Iraq. If you wouldn't have gone to war, then pray tell how would you have proposed solving the problem?

By the way, you shouldn't mistake disagreement and debate for anger.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-21-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 10:27pm
You always say everything was proven false. Funny how that book and the others I have read are all saying the same thing, by people who were there, yet I am to believe you or someone else who wasn't there who discounts it? Why????
Donna
Donna
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Registered: 08-07-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 10:32pm
I don't think WW2 is a valid comparison.

As for going to war with Iraq because Hussein murdered his own people, I thought we went to war because of WMD, or was it WMD program related activities, or was it to get the terrorists, (or was it for OIL), or was it to free the Iraqi people? The shifting explanation leaves me feeling very uncomfortable. Did you ever catch someone in a lie & have to endure their shifting explanations of why they lied? It feels like that to me.

OK, Hussein is a really bad guy. No doubt. What about all the other bad guys out there? Are you willing to evaluate each & every dictator around the world for degree of evilness, & then invade if they don't meet our standards? Why not Korea next? Their guy is nuts & brutal too. Or do we only do that if the country just coincidentally has oil? That's gonna be a lot of wars, well, unless we leave out the countries without oil. American's need to start making more babies now so we will have enough soldiers. See, I just don't think we should take that approach to world affairs.

You do sound angry to me. Maybe I'm reading your messages incorrectly, but that's how you come across. You are now sounding smug while we discuss the numbers of Iraqi civilian deaths. It makes me ill. Again, maybe I'm reading incorrectly, & you are simply posting your position, but I do get that feeling.....

As for how I would have done things, how far back can I go? Lots of people go back to Clinton, but I don't want to stop there. We never should have assisted Hussein in the first place. We never should have given him weapons. We shouldn't have bombed Iraq continously during Clinton's administration, & we shouldn't have invaded Iraq. After we invaded, we shouldn't have dismissed all the ordinary soldiers, leaving them with nothing to do all day, no money, & wounded pride, they should have been assigned the task of patrolling the streets. We shouldn't be sending in foreign workers to do reconstruction, leaving the Iraqis unemployed & more & more pissed off.

Why was Iraq our problem to solve? They aren't next door to us, they were not in a position to attack us. Why wasn't Iraq a problem for the Saudi's or Kuwait or Turkey or for them to form a coalition, & not the USA? Hmmm, mabe they know more about Iraq than we do. Could it be oil? Oh no, couldn't be. Remember they named the war "Operation Iraqi Liberation" at first? Then somebody noticed that spelled OIL, & they quickly changed it.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-21-2004
In reply to: nisa77
Mon, 09-13-2004 - 10:59pm
I see that too, that the right gets really out of control and start calling names and calling "lies" and "conspiracy" and "discounted" when they don't agree and have no real way to counter the truth. It is rather funny. Not so funny that they are allowed to be really nasty and mean but as you said, it is a right leaning board here. Thanks for the encouragement. Sometimes I need it and believe me, I enjoy your posts too.
Donna
Donna

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