IMPEACH BUSH!

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Registered: 05-12-2004
IMPEACH BUSH!
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Thu, 09-09-2004 - 11:13pm
HOw many out there think his actions merit impeachment? where is Kenneth Star when you need him, I thought He had some wild fantasy to impeach a president? Doen't it seem like a grand plan? I'd like to know who agrees!
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Registered: 08-20-2004
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 11:33am
There are so many reason to impeach. Trying to destroy the constitution, violating international law that the U.S. agreed to, etc. How about Bush's approval of torture at Abu Ghraib?

Amnesty International has presented consistent allegations of brutality and cruelty by US agents against detainees in Iraq and other US detention facilities across the world at the highest levels of the US Government, including the White House, the Department of Defense, and the State Department for the past two years.

In July 2003 Amnesty International issued the report Iraq: Memorandum on concerns relating to law and order, which formed the basis for talks with officials of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Baghdad. Among the concerns raised with the officials were allegations of torture of detainees.

On 14 November 2003 Amnesty International wrote to Secretary of Defense Ronald Rumsfeld following press reports that eight Marine Corp reservists had been charged in connection with allegations of ill-treatment of Iraqi detainees. In the letter Amnesty International also sought information about any other investigations relating to excessive use of force, torture or ill-treatment of Iraqi civilians, including detainees, by military officials. No response has been received.

In an open letter to US President George W Bush, on 7 May 2004, Amnesty International said that abuses allegedly committed by US agents in the Abu Ghraib facility in Baghdad were war crimes and called on the administration to fully investigate them to ensure that there is no impunity for anyone found responsible regardless of position or rank.

The United Nations Committee against Torture, the expert body established by the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment has expressly held that restraining detainees in very painful positions, hooding, threats, and prolonged sleep deprivation are methods of interrogation which violate the prohibition on torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 12:02pm
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

You sound a lot like ashley.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 12:04pm
You dont think the media has been looking for a way to make this guy look as bad as possible?

I think this President has been watched more closely than any other President in history, and I also think that from here on, Presidents are going to be scrutinized more than previous Presidents have as well.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 12:05pm
You have yet to list an impeachable offense, that can be directly linked to George W Bush.
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Registered: 04-03-2003
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 12:07pm
A few problems with your claims...

First, that he has "tried to destroy the constitution" is something of a very general accusation. You'll need to be more specific and show where he personally committed treasonous or otherwise criminal acts defined in US Code or the Constitution.

Second, that he has been "violating international law that the U.S. agreed to" is something else you'll need to point to specific violations in regards to. Besides which, if Congress approves the actions in question, you'll need to indict them as well, not just Bush. This also applies to your position on destroying the Constitution.

Third, you'd need to establish some sort of substantive proof that Bush knew precisely what was going on in Abu Ghraib and approved of those actions. That such actions may have been committed by agencies or officers of the US government does not automatically make Bush personally responsible for those actions.

So all you've got there is a lot of personal outrage (some of it understandable) but little or nothing of substance to justify impeachment proceedings.

~mark~

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Registered: 04-03-2003
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 12:10pm
Not unless you can establish personal knowledge of and approval of same.
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Registered: 11-13-2003
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 12:21pm


Supporting sources, please, or is this something "everyone knows to be true"?


Edited 9/10/2004 12:24 pm ET ET by janeigh

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Registered: 08-20-2004
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 1:31pm
Believe what you want but I have actually spoken to the people who presented the proof of torture to his administration.
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Registered: 02-16-2004
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 1:35pm
Really? Such as who? I didn't realize you had connections so high up in the Bush Administration. Besides, presenting proof of torture to the administration is a far cry from your claim that Bush approved of it.
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Registered: 08-20-2004
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 1:45pm
Bush puts his full faith in Condi and Cheney. As he says himself, he doesn't read the papers! He prefers to be ignorant and let other people decide! So they decided to have a policy of torture in Iraq. You really think those 19 year old soldiers would come up with those sophisticated methods of breaking down human psychology on their own? Not a chance. It was planned and Condi and Rumsfeld were presented with proof in 2003. If that is not an indication that the administration (ie BUSH) sanctioned it I don't know what is.