Debate tonight

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Registered: 08-05-2004
Debate tonight
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Thu, 09-30-2004 - 10:54pm
So, what did everybody think? This debate was my first (missed last yr's) and I enjoyed it. I liked how they were both respectful to each other and professional. No sighing, making facial expressions, slouching etc. I can't wait for the vp debates. :) XOXO.

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 7:50pm

<<I object to Bush cutting benefits for veterans. >>


Then you'll be glad to know he didn't.


http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=144







Funding for Veterans up 27%, But Democrats Call It A Cut



Money for Veterans goes up faster under Bush than under Clinton, yet Kerry accuses Bush of an unpatriotic breach of faith.


February 18, 2004


In the Feb. 15 Democratic debate, Kerry suggested that Bush was being unpatriotic: “He’s cut the VA (Veterans Administration) budget and not kept faith with veterans across this country. And one of the first definitions of patriotism is keeping faith with those who wore the uniform of our country.”


It is true that Bush is not seeking as big an increase for next year as the Secretary of Veterans Affairs wanted.

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:09pm
Brother! You have it bad! I suppose he should have treated himself & relaxed in

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:09pm
You were. You wrote a very long post about how all the other countries in our "coallition" were helping and not to denigrate them.
Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:13pm
Kerry was talking about talking with N. Korea, as all the other countries in the alliance have done and Bush has refused to do. I read that Colin Powell did meet with them last month finally. You are being simplistic in your understanding that it is not that we will just meet with N. Korea, but that we will also work with other countries to put the thumb on him.
Donna

"Patriotism means to stand by the Country. It does not mean to stand by the President." -- Theodore Roosevelt.

Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:14pm
No one said anything about just talking with N. Korea or giving in to their demands.
Donna

"Patriotism means to stand by the Country. It does not mean to stand by the President." -- Theodore Roosevelt.

Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:18pm
Yes, but out troops are thin, they are extending tours for many who are only reservists or national guards. I am asking where those troops will come from to even go into areas we should go into like the Sudan when our troops are already thin.
Donna

"Patriotism means to stand by the Country. It does not mean to stand by the President." -- Theodore Roosevelt.

Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:21pm
My father was in WWII at Normandy. I know about that war and I remember the Viet Nam war also. I would never support a communist country over a truly democratic one like France. I would not dismiss them permanently.
Donna

"Patriotism means to stand by the Country. It does not mean to stand by the President." -- Theodore Roosevelt.

Donna
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:32pm
Bring freedom to other countries? Care to point out for me which countries the US has brought freedom to in the past? I'll give you a broad span of time. You don't get to include WW II because England, France and Canada were fighting that long before the US became involved.

Start with Korea. Remember who the US instated as the ruler there in the 1950's? How about Viet Nam? Who did the US put in power in the south? You'll find a long list of dictators or military juntas (same thing) but no freedom. Try Chilé with Pinochet but remember that the US helped remove the democratically elected Allendé first and there is quite a list for Central American countries as well. How about the Phillipines? Remember Amanda Marcos and her shoes?

Would seem to me that many countries that now have a semblance of freedom have only themselves to thank. I believe the same will be true for Irag. They might get freedom down the line but they will have themselves to thank, not the misguided efforts of a world power.

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:35pm
Freedom is a worthy cause, however that was not what we were winning in Viet Nam or in Iraq. Unfortunately. That was also not the reason given for going to war in Iraq, if you recall. If that was the reason then why not go into all the dictatorships all over the world and force democracy on them?
Donna

"Patriotism means to stand by the Country. It does not mean to stand by the President." -- Theodore Roosevelt.

Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Fri, 10-01-2004 - 8:38pm

Where do you get your ridiculous claims? Iran and N. Korea have been ramping up since we have been stuck in Iraq.


You said "Under a sKerry campaign, a muslim nation hostile to the US will be given the capability to produce nukes, thereby arming them to decimate non-muslim nations"


This is absolutely ridiculous and I challenge you to prove that statement.

Donna

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