Debate tonight

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Debate tonight
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Thu, 09-30-2004 - 10:54pm
So, what did everybody think? This debate was my first (missed last yr's) and I enjoyed it. I liked how they were both respectful to each other and professional. No sighing, making facial expressions, slouching etc. I can't wait for the vp debates. :) XOXO.

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Registered: 08-07-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 6:34pm
I thought the insurgents were putting up a fight because they want the US out.
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Tue, 10-05-2004 - 3:30am
Do you get the Daily Show? Jon Stewart's interview with Desmund Tutu was marvelous. In a few eloquent words Dr. Tutu described an outsider's view of American politics. Enlightening.
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Tue, 10-05-2004 - 9:56am
If I am not mistaken, we did not give Iraq WMD's but we provided them with some of the materials that were used to create them, mainly in the form of various types of chemical fertilizers.
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Tue, 10-05-2004 - 9:59am
Look at the reality.

The insurgents will never have enough power to oust the US, but they can try to do as much damage as possible.

They are fighting for their very lives, as when Iraq has the elections, and there are enough trained Iraqis to properly provide security within their own country, the Iraqi army will be dealing with the insurgents in much the same manner that the US forces currently are.

Then the insurgents will not be killing the infidel American, but fellow Muslims, thereby losing support for their cause. This is already beginning to happen with the car bombs that kill innocent Iraqis.

A free Iraq is no friend to a terrorist organization and it is not in the best interest of terrorists around the world to have a free and democratic Iraq right in the heart of the Middle East.

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Tue, 10-05-2004 - 10:25am
Here's some info I have on that:

"The Sale of Technology to Iraq

Although official U.S. policy prohibited military sales to Iraq, the Commerce and State departments pushed to sell the Iraqis 'dual-use' items which could have both civilian and military purposes like trucks, computers or helicopters.

Richard Murphy, a top State Department official (Assistant Secretary of State for the Near East Bureau) remembers that the pressure to sell was enormous.

"Certainly there was pressure to sell and there was the argument, if the contract doesn’t go to an American you can be darn sure it’s gonna go to a German, British, French manufacturer and trucks were one example. Civilian helicopters were a dicier decision. Could they be turned into the equivalent of an attack helicopter?"



Despite opposition from the Pentagon, the U.S. approved the sale of 100 helicopters to the Iraqis who claimed they would be used as agricultural sprayers. Dr. Bryen says many were transferred to the military, perhaps to be used in chemical attacks.

"You know, we don’t like that, that’s a very dangerous thing, and of course Halabja is a perfect example of what you do with helicopters filled with chemicals."

Then Iraq requested 1.5 million vials of atropine - the antidote for nerve gas - to protect Iraqi soldiers from chemical weapons. The State Department supported the sale even through nobody had nerve gas except the Iraqi army.

Dr. Bryen raised the red flag and Iraq was not allowed to purchase the drugs. But according to documents recently released by the Iraqis themselves, several U.S. companies provided chemical and biological components to Iraq during the 1980s which were used to develop weapons.

Iraq also received billion in loans and credits to purchase American food and goods - more than almost any other country. It left Saddam free to spend his hard currency on more weapons.

Washington's Reaction to the Attack on Halabja

But after the chemical attack on Halabja in 1988 (read more) the truth seemed too sinister to ignore.

Senate staffer Peter Galbraith drafted legislation - the Prevention of Genocide Act - that imposed harsh economic sanctions on the regime. (read more)

Billions in loans and agricultural credits would be cut off. America would no longer purchase Iraqi oil which accounted for one quarter of Iraq's production. And all U.S. exports to Iraq would be suspended.

Although the bill passed through the Senate in only one day the powerful farm and business lobbies warned that the legislation would only punish the Americans trading with Iraq.

When the Bill reached the House of Representatives, the provisions to remove agricultural credits and end bank loans were removed. Eventually the Act was caught up in Congressional bureacracy and died before it was passed. (read more)

Turning a Blind Eye Towards Saddam

Although the U.S. government officially denounced the gassing of the Kurds, it was business like never before with Iraq. After 1988 business with Iraq actually increased. By 1989, Iraq was given American agricultural guarantees worth $1 billion. Iraq was the largest importer of U.S. rice and the 2nd largest participant in the agricultural credit program..........more"

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/kurds/alliance.html

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Registered: 12-07-2003
Tue, 10-05-2004 - 10:55am
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Tue, 10-05-2004 - 12:27pm
I knew about the tech stuff, and the hellicopters, as in Gen. Schwarzkopfs book he said his one mistake he regretted was when he was at the negotiating table, the Iraqi's had asked to use hellicopters to try to get to miliitary units that they could not reach via regular communications.

Schwarzkopf agreed, and it turned out that the Iraqi's used these copters in attacks on the Kurds.

The details I was looking for was how we supposedly sold Iraq the actual WMD's.

I remember reading about the atropine which sent alarm bells going off, and I am glad that Dr. Bryen noticed this too.

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Registered: 01-06-2001
Tue, 10-05-2004 - 4:04pm
Dear crownotangelgrl,

My thoughts are that US Senator John Kerry is ready to lead America !!!

ForeverHugs,

--Genie

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Registered: 10-06-2004
Wed, 10-06-2004 - 8:47am


I thought both vp candidates did well. Cheney came off as the sharp, experienced, and older and wiser guy he really is, and Edwards, for all his inexperience seemed to have held his own. In conclusion I think Cheney won the foreign affairs debate, while Edwards did quite well on the domestic front.
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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 8:49am

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