My $.02 on the debate this A.M.

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My $.02 on the debate this A.M.
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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 9:15am
So from what I got from the debate...

Bush is tired. (I can imagine that spending the day with hurricane victims and relief workers can be pretty draining, what did Kerry do all day? I can only imagine.)

Kerry did better than I expected, although, I completely disagree with him.

One thing really stood out...Kerry wants to deal one-on-one with Kim Jong Il and leave out important allies like China and South Korea, and yet says the war in Iraq is a bust b/c we don't have enough allied support?!?

Just shows me that Kerry will disagree with ANYTHING the President supports and support anything Bush disagrees with.

Hey, it'll give the "anybody but Bush" crowd a boner!

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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 1:01pm
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This is true. However, I do agree with Debateguy, that China should be a primary player here.

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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 1:11pm
You have a lot of good points and I respect that. I will never agree with the tax thing for personal reasons that I've explained elsewhere on the boards.

As for the same sex marriage issue it seems impossible for me to take sides on. I'm a Christian and we all know what most churchs preach about homosexuality. However, one of my closest friends and one of the best people that I've ever had the priviledge to know is a lesbian. When I think about her I can't imagine ever denying her the same love and unity that I gain from my marriage. I think that this issue gets clouded by the religious issue of marriage. Its a tough one for a lot of people because a lot of us believe in our faith and then are torn by our compassion for the equal rights of ALL people. I wish we could come up with a way to meet in the middle, I'm not saying that gays should have to settle, just that I wish there was a solution that would make everyone happy. I would be interested to know what you think about where I'm coming from on this.

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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 1:20pm
On the Iraq issue Kerry even used an example of Bush's own father against him. He said that Bush sr knew not to go to Iraq without help and went to the UN, but Bush jr didn't. I thought Kerry did very well in the debate while Bush said reused phrases such as "I know it's hard work" and "I know how the world works." He also blinked a lot (which has been said a sign of lying) and he had these pleading eyes like "please vote for me!" Just my opinion, imo. I can't wait for the V.P. debate! XOXO.
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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 1:41pm
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No you haven't.

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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 1:53pm
Thank you... there is a way that all can agree, if we only try. What gets forgotten all too often is that some churches are willing to marry same sex couples, yet we hear how making it legal will step on the rights of those who do not accept same sex marriage. What of those that do, and can't now? Aren't their rights violated as well?

To me, it should be all couples can marry civilly, and if they wish a religious marriage, then it is up to that church.

Since 17 May when Massachusetts began marrying same sex couples, those in that state have seen it is a total non-issue, and likely will never be voted on because it is a non-issue. People see what you have seen... that couples are deeply committed. In the end, we will mirror hetero couples, over time some will be and some won't be. Those that claim it harms society are all wet... the proof is all the other way.


Edited 10/1/2004 1:57 pm ET ET by rayeellen

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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 1:56pm
*hugs* back...

There are things I disagreed with George Sr. on, but he was closer to Bill Clinton in policy than to his own son. There is a great diversity in opinion on how the country should be governed, we are increasingly polarised, and think those closer to the centre, which Kerry is as compared to Bush, should govern and help us heal.

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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 2:04pm
I agree. Kerry and his supporters seem to believe that "hating" Bush is sufficient reason to vote for Kerry. Being a good "hater" entails constant complaints, always taking the other side on any issue, and a lot of whining - being a good President requires more than that! President Bush stood his ground and presented a clear and concise message about his foreign policy: primarily that fighting terrorists requires a calm and resolute response - not constant wavering - and that an effective leader must be someone that we, the troops and foreign leaders can trust to say what he means and do what he says.
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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 2:32pm
>>Being a good "hater" entails constant complaints, always taking the other side on any issue, and a lot of whining - being a good President requires more than that!<<

Seems I remember a whole lot of complaining coming from those that opposed Clinton...

As for doing what he says... gay marriage, Homeland Security, uniter, compassionate conservative... Bush didn't do what he initially said with respect to any of those.


Edited 10/1/2004 2:34 pm ET ET by rayeellen

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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 2:46pm
From that post way back at #11..."We need a president who is more rational and open minded..."

Are you saying this will be Kerry? You're kidding right?

Reminded me of a funny...

definition of LIBERAL: n. a person who is so open minded their brains have fallen out.

(oh, I forgot who I was talking to, you won't think this is funny)

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Fri, 10-01-2004 - 3:06pm
No, I don't think it funny. It's not because of not having a sense of humour, it is because there is a certain mean spiritedness behind it. I've seen stuff elsewhere today that compares Bush to monkeys, the faces he was making... and don't think that funny, either. I don't like his politics, but that crosses a line.

Kerry is closer to the centre, and he is more apt to bring others in and develop consensus. In 1962, all of the students in my school had to get down under my desk at school and cover my head with my hands. In a meeting of the president's Cabinet, all members voted to attack Cuba... one person said "no." if George Bush had been there that day as president instead of JFK... all of us would be dead, and covering my head would have done precisely nothing. It was a scary moment... thinking the world was going to nuke itself. I'd love for you to go back and talk to that 7 year old me and explain Bush's war approach is better.

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