Kerry Likely Cheated In Debate

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Registered: 10-01-2004
Kerry Likely Cheated In Debate
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Sun, 10-03-2004 - 4:20pm
DRUDGE Report today shows video of Sen. Kerry cheating during debate. Despite agreement by both participants that notes could not be used during the debate - Kerry apparently brought notecards to the podium. LOOKS LIKE THE SMOOTH TALKING SENATOR CHEATED!

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Registered: 07-20-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 8:53am
Why do Bush supporters have a hard time believing that Mr. Bush deceived us in believing we needed to go to WAR with Iraq? He admitted that "He tried to kill my Daddy once" So that was reason enough for him to want revenge, by getting involved in a WAR that he felt would insure him re-election to finish the job? Why didn't he "finish the job" in Afghanistan before he went into Iraq? Do you realize the Bush Clan is in cahoots with Saudia Arabia? Why aren't THEY helping in this effort? HUH? Fact was the terrorists that flew the planes into the WTC's came here through Saudia Arabia? The fact that Bush had to have known that for some time Bin Laden was a real threat to the USA. It all comes down to money. The flight schools that taught them ARABS to fly the planes here.Hello! Arabs wanting to fly planes? Now that should have been a "red flag" Guess "Money Talks".

Go ahead, Vote for your precious Bush on November 2nd.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:07am
You have seen Fahrenheit 911 too many times.

First, please prove that Bush deceived us about going to war with Iraq. The 9/11 commission couldnt do it. Michale Moore couldnt do it. The media has not been able to do it, but I guess you have the smoking gun?

Second, plesae prove that the Bush family is in cahoots with Saudi Arabia. The Saudi Royal family and the Bush family are both engaged in the oil business, which is their only link.

Third, why would someone want to report that people of arabic descent were learning to fly planes? Your comment would receive a stringent attack by the ACLU for racial profiling.

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:09am
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I din't think he had to go so far as pulling that sneaky and creative move of turning his back (perhaps he was wiping his nose)...I mean, didn't I see him reading something off his shirt cuffs?

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In this day and age, innuendo is just as damaging as the real thing obviously.

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:15am
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Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:17am
You are right... it is umproven, but is my opinion, just as believing Kerry cheated is yours. I believe Rove would do *anything* to get Bush reelected.
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Registered: 07-20-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:18am
First of all, I only saw that documentary once. Furthermore, you think that the ACLU loves the Patriot Act? thirdly here is a link http://www.houseofbush.com
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:19am
The funny thing about the entire debate was that most media outlets were saying that Kerry would win the debate as he is a superior orator.

I guess that people seemed to forget that point.

Bush missed several opportunities to make Kerry look bad.

1) When Kerry said that Bush sent the troops into Iraq without the proper equipment, body armor, and armor plating on the Humvee's Bush should have responded in saying that Kerry had voted ever time he could to cut the budget for the military, forcing them to make cuts in certain areas, citing specific votes, which are easy enough to find. He then could have gone on to say that Kerry also voted against the $87 billion even though he said it would be irresponsible to do so. That would have been a severe body blow to Kerry.

2) When Kerry attacked Bush on the intelligence used to go to war, Bush could have come back to say in the 8 years that Sen Kerry has served on the Senate Intelligence Committee, he has missed 78% of the meetings. After 9/11, Senator Kerry did not attend any meetings for a period of one year. Another body blow, but Bush failed to do this.

3) When Kerry said that Bush was handling North Korea in the wrong manner saying that instead he would have bilateral talks with North Korea, Bush should have come back to say that this is exactly why we have the problems with NK and Iran that we do today. Clinton held bilateral talks and negotiations with NK, who then basically cheated on the agreement reached in those talks, and began to enrich uranium and plutonium. Unilateral does not work as well as multinational, when the countries directly around NK could exert extreme diplomatic and economic pressure on NK, making them see that if they continue down the road they are currently headed, they will be doing so alone.

If Bush had just managed to state these three things, he would not only have won the debate, but the election would pretty much be over today, but again, Bush failed to do this.

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:19am
Good post.

:o)

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:20am
Did he intentionally deceive us? I don't think he did. Was he gung ho about a shoot em up? You bet. He was itching to do this, and as with anyone who wants it badly, did not pay attention to the red flags in front of him. What bothers me even more is that they try to blame it all on the intelligence community... kind of like blaming our troops for the war going badly.

This is a failed presidency, the worst of my lifetime. Was he dishonest? I can't prove that... all I'll say is we need a replacement president.

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:28am
Several anylists also said Kerry missed opportunities to realy nail Bush. I was hoping he would when Bush said "I didn't need anyone to tell me to go to the UN! I decided to go to the UN!"

And then there was his constant refrain "it's hard work!" Hmmmm...

About all George did was try to plant phrases in people's minds, like the "fuzzy math" of 2000. It has nothing to do with debating. Republicans tripped all over themselves in the days leading up to the debate saying "Kerry is a brilliant debater," all to increase expectations on him... except... Kerry delivered, making it all the more remarkable.

Bush is not only a lousy debater, he is a lousy president. At his last news conference, he could not give even one mistake he has made. Kerry gave one of his own during the debate. Humility is something that is not lost on people. I'm sure Kerry has an ego, but whilst Bush never gets hit with that... think his ego is a whole lot bigger than Kerry's.

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