Kerry Likely Cheated In Debate

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Kerry Likely Cheated In Debate
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Sun, 10-03-2004 - 4:20pm
DRUDGE Report today shows video of Sen. Kerry cheating during debate. Despite agreement by both participants that notes could not be used during the debate - Kerry apparently brought notecards to the podium. LOOKS LIKE THE SMOOTH TALKING SENATOR CHEATED!

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:29am
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Boy can you ever.

The issue for me with Bush isn't so much Bush himself (though I think he's in over his head). It's the people behind the president that concerns me. Bush is getting most of the heat and scrutiny..."Bush this, Bush that etc...."

My problem with this administration rests mainly on those powerful men supporting him. Rumsfled, Cheney, Rove etc...When you vote Bush, you're getting the package deal. Without these men (and other powerful connections), Bush would be nothing.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:31am
One thing that might be very damaging would be if Edwards were successful in making Cheney lose his temper.

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:33am
I agree... those behind the scenes that are trying to totally change this country in a not so very nice way.
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:40am
You are right. That is an unproven rumour (in reaction to the initial unproven rumours. See what happens when people start throwing around these unproven rumours?

At any rate, here's some background info on Karl Rove or "Turd Blossem" and "Boy Genius" as Bush himself affectionately calls him.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1165126,00.html

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120503_rove.html

http://www.time.com/time/pow/article/0,8599,388523,00.html

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:46am
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1) When Kerry said that Bush sent the troops into Iraq without the proper equipment, body armor, and armor plating on the Humvee's Bush should have responded in saying that Kerry had voted ever time he could to cut the budget for the military, forcing them to make cuts in certain areas, citing specific votes, which are easy enough to find.>>

I don't know if it would have been wise of Bush to harp too much on that. Kerry would just have come back with this:

"Cheney Proposed to Cut Defense Programs Vital to Recent Military Operations

Cheney Proposed Cutting F-16 Aircraft. In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, Cheney said, "If you're going to have a smaller air force, you don't need as many F-16s...The F-16D we basically continue to buy and close it out because we're not going to have as big a force structure and we won't need as many F-16s." According to the Boston Globe, Bush's 1991 defense budget "kill 81 programs for potential savings of $ 11.9 billion...Major weapons killed include....the Air Force's F-16 airplane."

Cheney Proposed Cuts to B-2 Program. According to the Boston Globe, in 1990, "Defense Secretary Richard Cheney announced a cutback... of nearly 45 percent in the administration's B-2 Stealth bomber program, from 132 airplanes to 75..."

Cheney Proposed Cutting AH-64 Apaches. In testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, Cheney said, "This is just a list of some of the programs that I've recommended termination: the V-22 Osprey, the F-14D, the Army Helicopter Improvement Program, Phoenix missile, F-15E, the Apache helicopter, the M1 tank, et cetera." In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, Cheney said, "The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward, AH-64...I forced the Army to make choices...So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out."

Cheney Proposed Cutting M-1 Abrams Tanks. In testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, Cheney said, "This is just a list of some of the programs that I've recommended termination: the V-22 Osprey, the F-14D, the Army Helicopter Improvement Program, Phoenix missile, F-15E, the Apache helicopter, the M1 tank, et cetera." The Boston Globe reported on the impact of Cheney's cuts to armored tanks: "The Army's cupboard is left particularly bare. Coming in the wake of last year's killing of the M-1 tank and the Apache helicopter, the death of the M-2 means the Army will soon have virtually no major weapons in production."

Cheney Proposed Cutting B-52 Bombers. In 1990, Cheney proposed cutting 14 B-52 bombers. Cheney also sought the retirement of two Navy battleships, two nuclear cruisers, and eight nuclear-powered attack submarines. In 1991, Cheney scrapped the Navy's A-12 Stealth attack plane, a fighter that was proclaimed to be a key part of the future of navy aviation in advanced stealth technology.

Cheney's Record as Secretary of Defense Includes Cutting Troops and Bases

Cheney Cut Thousands of Active-Duty, Reserve, and Civilian Forces. In January 1990, Cheney banned the hiring of any new civilian personnel in the Defense Department through the end of September, which left more than 65,000 jobs vacant. Under the budget proposed in 1990, the Pentagon would have reduced active military personnel by 38,000; selected reserves would have fallen by 3,000. The budget called for the deactivation of two Army divisions. Long range, the Pentagon planned to reduce its work force by 300,000, including about 200,000 military personnel and 100,000 civilians. In 1991, he called for reduction of 200,000 active and reserve military personnel over two years. In 1992, Cheney called for cutting 500,000 active-duty people, 200,000 reservists, and 200,000 civilians over five years.

Active-Duty and Reserve Forces Endured Huge Reductions Under Cheney. The LA Times reported in November 1991 that the number of active-duty military personnel had decreased by over 106,000, or 5 percent of the total forces. The National Guard and Reserves had been cut by nearly 38,000, instead of the 105,000 the Bush Administration sought.

Cheney Proposed Over 70 Base Closures. In 1990, Cheney proposed the closure of 72 domestic military installations and 12 overseas facilities. On April 12, 1991, Cheney proposed to close 31 major domestic military bases. The plan also called for shutting 12 smaller bases and reducing operations at 28 others. He submitted his list of closures to a commission on base closings on April 15, 1991. In 1992, Cheney proposed 70 overseas military base closures, three of which were in Turkey. "........MORE

http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/cheney_record/

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:48am
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....and that is the REAL issue here........

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Registered: 12-07-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 10:50am
I find one of the most disturbing things about the intelligence that led up to the War in Iraq is that this administration looked for intelligence that supported their decision to go into Iraq, rather than using the intelligence that had been found to come to a decision. That, in my opinion, is a real problem.
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Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:01am
I am not claiming Kerry is a saint, is perfect, etc... but I do believe that those in power now are not playing by rules we are used to, staying within boundaries we have come to respect. I fear what they might do... both as a citizen in general, and as a gay American.
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:04am
If you accepted that he won then you wouldn't have to make excuses for how or why he won. How about he won because he has a better command of the facts and is a better speaker, and Bush has a horrible record to defend and has no clue what is really going on?
Donna

"Patriotism means to stand by the Country. It does not mean to stand by the President." -- Theodore Roosevelt.

Donna
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Registered: 08-21-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:09am

My problem with this administration rests mainly on those powerful men supporting him. Rumsfled, Cheney, Rove etc...When you vote Bush, you're getting the package deal. Without these men (and other powerful connections), Bush would be nothing.


That is so right (pun unintended but true). Without his supporters Bush could not

Donna

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