Kerry Likely Cheated In Debate

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Registered: 10-01-2004
Kerry Likely Cheated In Debate
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Sun, 10-03-2004 - 4:20pm
DRUDGE Report today shows video of Sen. Kerry cheating during debate. Despite agreement by both participants that notes could not be used during the debate - Kerry apparently brought notecards to the podium. LOOKS LIKE THE SMOOTH TALKING SENATOR CHEATED!

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:13am
First, once is one time too many to see the work of fiction being passed of as a documentary.

Second, I know about the book House of Bush, House of Saud, and it goes to the oil ties.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:16am
It has not been a failed Presidency, and if this is the worst in your lifetime, you were not alive for Carter, or LBJ then.

The blame for intelligence cant fall on the executive branch. It has to fall on the intelligence community.

The intelligence communites from the following countries all failed:

US

Great Britain

Jordan

Israel

Russia

Egypt

Pakistan

They all pretty much were saying the same things about the WMD's.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:17am
The difference is that Cheney did not have the power to vote on those issues.

Kerry did, and did so at every opportunity he has had during his 19 years as Senator.

I would have also attacked Kerry on his vote to cut $6 billion from the intelligence budget AFTER 9/11. I guess he didnt realize how bad the intelligence was since he never attended the intelligence committee meetings.

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:19am
I've read accounts from those involved that said they basically dictated what they wanted for results.
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:19am
Porbably wont happen, especially since Edwards is probably nervous since he is a rookie in politics compared to Cheney, who knows the issues better than anyone, and can speak with the best of them.

If it does, it will hurt the Bush / Cheney ticket however.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:22am
Well lets see:

Our CIA said that Iraq had WMD's, and possibly in stockpiles.

The UK had MI5 agree with that assertion.

Egypt also agreed with the intelligence as what they had supported that position.

Jordan also agreed with the same intelligence as their intelligence sector was saying the same things.

Israel's Mossad (which is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world) was saying much of the same.

Even Russia and Putin (former KGB agent I might add) was saying much of the same.

It was not hard to find evidence to support the reasons to go to war with Iraq as all of the top intelligence agencies throughout the world were all in basic agreement on what they were all finding.

iVillage Member
Registered: 12-07-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:24am
Yes, I agree. Also, intelligence has been made worse by this administration. Have you heard about the Niger documents? They were so badly forged, that the Italian reporter who originally gave them to the US, decided not to run an article about them after a brief visit to Niger. The documents had a signitary, who retired from the Niger government in 1989.
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Registered: 12-07-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:28am
Most of the intelligence these agencies relied on was from defectors, who are notoriously bad at giving accurate intelligence information. The simple truth is that there were many nations at the time of the decision to go into Iraq that posed a much larger threat to the US. The adminsitration ignored these threats in order pursue a policy, which had been determined by many of the key players in the Bush administration long before Bush was even elected.
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Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:30am
>>It has not been a failed Presidency, and if this is the worst in your lifetime, you were not alive for Carter, or LBJ then.<<

I vaguely remember Eisenhower. And this administration is worse than Nixon, Carter, and LBJ. At least LBJ made progress on social issues. Clinton was light years better than Bush. His own dad was better. We have huge deficits, generated partly because of tax cuts for his buddies. He has generated more terrorists than he has stopped. He blindly supports Sharon in the middle east. And while I agree Arafat is bad and needs to go, so does Sharon. He attacked a country that did not attack us, and deferred resources from a place where we are legitimately involved. He has gone from states rights on same sex marriage to wishing to ban it in the Constitution, the first time such a move to restrict rights was ever undertaken in this country. His party blocks a bill extending unemployment benefits from coming to the floor of the House, yet we are supposed to pick up the pension plans for failing airlines that did not fund them properly. He has toyed with overtime pay. Has tried to remove protections for gay government workers, to cross lines between church and state. And he makes up excuses for *his* war, which we should call "Bush's Folly."

Memos are circulating on whether we should take military action against Iran. He makes up stuff about his opponent, and came out looking dumbfounded because you can't get away with that when the person is in front of you. He does not like hearing other opinion, even his own partner's.

This country is more divided than it was from 1966-73. He ran as a uniter, and is a wonderful divider. We need stability and common sense, and with Bush... we get neither. Kerry need not be great, all he has to do is do like Ford 1974-77. Is all I ask.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-24-2003
Mon, 10-04-2004 - 11:32am
I have not... do you have info on them?

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