Work Horse v Show Horse

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Registered: 10-01-2004
Work Horse v Show Horse
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Wed, 10-06-2004 - 9:40am
Do Americans really want a "pretty boy" with no substantive experience in foreign affiars who can't even be bothered to show up for intelligence committee meetings to be one heartbeat away from the presidency?
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Registered: 10-07-2004
Fri, 10-08-2004 - 9:26am
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Cheney said Edwards missed committee meetings, not votes. However, I do think it would be a good idea to attend the committee meetings before casting votes.

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No, that's not what he said. He said, Worst attendence in the senate.

Of course, coming from a guy who was AGAINST Martin Luther King Jr day.....


Edited 10/8/2004 9:29 am ET ET by koronin66

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Fri, 10-08-2004 - 11:14am
By all accounts, the intelligence reports received by the President, the Congress, and governments all over the world (including Britain, Jordan, France, Egypt, Germany, Australia, Russia, etc.) confirmed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. It appears now that Saddam for his own reasons wished other governments to believe that he had such weapons - perhaps for intimidation purposes - and that he may have believed that he had them - perhaps because he was mentally unbalanced and perhaps because his scientists found it beneficial to lead him to believe that he did. According to Saddam's nuclear expert in his book "The Bomb In My Garden", whatever else was true, Saddam had taken steps to retain the ability to produce WMD in the future once UN inspections were discontinued: those steps included maintenance of factories that could be easily converted to produce WMD.

Nevertheless, Sen. Kerry and Sen. Edwards voted to use force in Iraq. Now that force has been used, we cannot abandon the Iraqi people - we must stay until a stable government is in place.

Sen. Kerry has signaled to the entire world that he NOW does not support this effort - his statement demoralize our troops and the Iraqi government, embolden the terrorists, and make it certain that additional nations will not support the effort to establish a stable government if Kerry is president.

Kerry and Edwards have found it very easy to criticize the President for doing what they authorized; they have not, however, offered any positive plan of their own - their suggestions to train Iraqi soldiers and seek the cooperation of other nations are things the President is already doing. I would not ever vote for any politician whose only contribution to discussion of a problem was to criticize others!

President Bush may not be the most articulate candidate for President, but he is the only one with credibility on the issue of Iraq. Sen. Kerry changes his mind from day to day, depending on the polls of the moment - that his not the behavior of a leader but is the behavior of a political hack.

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Registered: 10-07-2004
Fri, 10-08-2004 - 11:18am
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By all accounts, the intelligence reports received by the President, the Congress, and governments all over the world (including Britain, Jordan, France, Egypt, Germany, Australia, Russia, etc.) confirmed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

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That is, UNTRUE.

With the exception of Britian: Everyone wanted the inspections and UNSC Resolution 1441 to complete to its logical conclusion before they would make such a claim.

You show me statements from any of those leaders in the weeks before the war that backs your claim and I'll eat my 'textual' shoes.

The only confirmation came just two days ago: NO WMD, No programs and Iraq had only gone backward since 1991.

Spin it all you want, change your positions (Flipflop??) all you want, the truth is and always will be: The truth.

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Registered: 08-05-2004
Fri, 10-08-2004 - 2:00pm
Yeah. I heard about the meetings and how he only does with republicans. Kinda sad eh? Heh.
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Registered: 08-05-2004
Fri, 10-08-2004 - 2:00pm
And don't forget meals on wheels.
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Registered: 03-24-2003
Fri, 10-08-2004 - 2:15pm
What a misrepresentation of what exists in this race.

The president has used privilege to get him through life. Where exactly has he worked hard to get ahead? Even the recent releases of his Guard records shows that daddy was hoping George would fit in *somewhere* and make something of himself.

Contrast that with Kerry busting his arse to get through school and make something of himself. One candidate went to war and came back opposed. The other was for the war and hid out from going.

One worked hard to get ahead in politics. The other was spotted by Rove and made into a candidate, shaped to mouth the words given him.

You have reversed your horses... the show horse would be the president.

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Fri, 10-08-2004 - 2:20pm
>>Strength and determination are sexy! If I were in a life/death situation and had to choose between Bush/Cheney or Kerry/Edwards to save me. . .no question: Bush/Cheney. Kerry wouldn't be able to decide on a plan and would bail if the going got tough; Edwards would follow him around like a little puppy. Neither Bush nor Cheney would back down or quit until I was safe. That is the essence of this election.<<

...for you. Not for me. And we obviously see that differently. I see them as having made this country less safe, not more.


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Registered: 03-24-2003
Fri, 10-08-2004 - 2:24pm
>>The U.S. prospers because it values freedom, because it encourages competition, because it fosters a delicate balance between respect for diversity and common cultural values, and because whatever their status at birth...<<

Hmmm.. what is that Marriage Amendment for again? Oh, yeah... to ban gay Americans from being equal. Funny, the Christian right loves to paint us as heathens, and in some states try to stop us from adopting children. The Federal Government is trying to take away protections from gay workers in it's ranks.

Talk to me again about diversity.

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Registered: 08-05-2004
Fri, 10-08-2004 - 2:28pm
And in the VP debate Cheney said he wanted the individual states to be up to everything with gay rights etc. But you know here in the south that won't happen (Bible belt), so it wouldn't be equal. Edwards said he and Kerry believe in opposite sex marriage, but they want the gays to be able to have equal rights just like you do in marriage.


Edited 10/8/2004 2:28 pm ET ET by crownotangelgrl
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Fri, 10-08-2004 - 2:30pm
Many of those "demoralised" troops are voting for Kerry. Is it a majority? I've absolutely no idea... but they know full well this "demoralised" talk is nonsense, political fodder trying to make someone with a different opinion look bad. Do we really wish to have a country where we cannot speak up against a dumb war?

Now it was Saddam deceiving us into thinking he *did* have weapons. I so wait the next excuse to defend Bush. They are getting very creative!


Edited 10/8/2004 2:34 pm ET ET by rayeellen