8 Lies Bush will tell...

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Registered: 08-20-2004
8 Lies Bush will tell...
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Tue, 10-12-2004 - 12:24pm
It's not hard to predict what President Bush, who sounds

increasingly desperate, will say tomorrow. Here are eight

lies or distortions you'll hear, and the truth about each: (I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS)

1. JOBS

Mr. Bush will talk about the 1.7 million jobs

created since the summer of 2003, and will say that the

economy is "strong and getting stronger." That's like

boasting about getting a D on your final exam, when you

flunked the midterm and needed at least a C to pass the

course.

Mr. Bush is the first president since Herbert Hoover to

preside over a decline in payroll employment. That's worse

than it sounds because the economy needs around 1.6 million

new jobs each year just to keep up with population growth.

The past year's job gains, while better news than earlier

job losses, barely met this requirement, and they did

little to close the huge gap between the number of jobs the

country needs and the number actually available.

2. UNEMPLOYMENT

Mr. Bush will boast about the decline in

the unemployment rate from its June 2003 peak. But the

employed fraction of the population didn't rise at all;

unemployment declined only because some of those without

jobs stopped actively looking for work, and therefore

dropped out of the unemployment statistics. The labor force

participation rate - the fraction of the population either

working or actively looking for work - has fallen sharply

under Mr. Bush; if it had stayed at its January 2001 level,

the official unemployment rate would be 7.4 percent.

3. THE DEFICIT

Mr. Bush will claim that the recession and

9/11 caused record budget deficits. Congressional Budget

Office estimates show that tax cuts caused about two-thirds

of the 2004 deficit.

4. THE TAX CUTS

Mr. Bush will claim that Senator John Kerry opposed "middle

class" tax cuts. But budget office numbers show that most

of Mr. Bush's tax cuts went to the best-off 10 percent of

families, and more than a third went to the top 1 percent,

whose average income is more than $1 million.

5. THE KERRY TAX PLAN

Mr. Bush will claim, once again,

that Mr. Kerry plans to raise taxes on many small

businesses. In fact, only a tiny percentage would be

affected. Moreover, as Mr. Kerry correctly pointed out last

week, the administration's definition of a small-business

owner is so broad that in 2001 it included Mr. Bush, who

does indeed have a stake in a timber company - a business

he's so little involved with that he apparently forgot

about it.

6. FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

Mr. Bush will claim that Mr. Kerry proposes $2 trillion in

new spending. That's a partisan number and is much higher

than independent estimates. Meanwhile, as The Washington

Post pointed out after the Republican convention, the

administration's own numbers show that the cost of the

agenda Mr. Bush laid out "is likely to be well in excess of

$3 trillion" and "far eclipses that of the Kerry plan."

7. SPENDING

On Friday, Mr. Bush claimed that he had

increased nondefense discretionary spending by only 1

percent per year. The actual number is 8 percent, even

after adjusting for inflation. Mr. Bush seems to have

confused his budget promises - which he keeps on breaking -

with reality.

8. HEALTH CARE

Mr. Bush will claim that Mr. Kerry wants to take medical

decisions away from individuals. The Kerry plan would

expand Medicaid (which works like Medicare), ensuring that

children, in particular, have health insurance. It would

protect everyone against catastrophic medical expenses, a

particular help to the chronically ill. It would do nothing

to restrict patients' choices.

By singling out Mr. Bush's lies and misrepresentations, am

I saying that Mr. Kerry isn't equally at fault? Yes.

Mr. Kerry sometimes uses verbal shorthand that offers

nitpickers things to complain about. He talks of 1.6

million lost jobs; that's the private-sector loss, partly

offset by increased government employment. But the job

record is indeed awful. He talks of the $200 billion cost

of the Iraq war; actual spending is only $120 billion so

far. But nobody doubts that the war will cost at least

another $80 billion. The point is that Mr. Kerry can, at

most, be accused of using loose language; the thrust of his

statements is correct.

Mr. Bush's statements, on the other hand, are fundamentally

dishonest. He is insisting that black is white, and that

failure is success. Journalists who play it safe by

spending equal time exposing his lies and parsing Mr.

Kerry's choice of words are betraying their readers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/12/opinion/12krugman.html?ex=1098597896&ei=1&en=d06ef93e6e4be983

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Registered: 10-07-2004
Tue, 10-12-2004 - 12:34pm
I'm still waiting for Bush's answer to the final question from Friday's debate.
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Registered: 08-20-2004
Tue, 10-12-2004 - 2:08pm
Not likely he will ever tell the truth. I think he is just delusional.
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Registered: 08-31-2003
Tue, 10-12-2004 - 9:24pm
"I'm still waiting for Bush's answer to the final question from Friday's debate."

Did you turn off your TV before he answered it? What you really want is for him to *admit* to the mistake *you* believe he has made.

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Registered: 10-07-2004
Wed, 10-13-2004 - 1:56pm
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Did you turn off your TV before he answered it? What you really want is for him to *admit* to the mistake *you* believe he has made.

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Oh ok, the very ambiguous phrase 'Certain cabinet positions' is supposed to be an answer? But hey, I know 2 of 'em: Clarke and O'neil.

No, i think you just want me to post lots of left-winged, c0ck-eyed looney ANYBODY BUT BUSH ideas on his mistakes, that's not going to happen.

Sure it was a loaded question, but it wasn't the content of the answer that the American people saw, it was the way it wrapped him into knots is what the media and people saw.

Props to the media for working on this for a while cause I will be the first to admit, the media has been very unkind to Bush in 2004.

Much like Gore got in 2000, sauce for the goose.

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Registered: 08-31-2003
Wed, 10-13-2004 - 7:52pm
So he has nothing to admit to unless he decides the repeat the " left-winged, c0ck-eyed looney ANYBODY BUT BUSH ideas on his mistakes,". Thanks for the response.
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Wed, 10-13-2004 - 7:54pm
"the media has been very unkind to Bush in 2004.

Much like Gore got in 2000, sauce for the goose."

Ha! The media was unkind to Gore???? But he had gravitas and Bush didn't. The media was unkind to Gore...maybe in another dimension.

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Wed, 10-13-2004 - 8:52pm
As long as we're discussing lies and distortions, lets look at the ones in that OP/ED piece.

Regarding jobs, there is no lie or distortion in anyone stating that 1.7 new jobs have been created since summer of 2003. That's an objective fact. Another fact is that the economy is getting stronger, though I myself wouldn't necessarily characterize it as "strong". That we have gone through a recession does not invalidate the objective truth of those statements.

An additional note here... Many in the media and other places have taken to using the phrase "presiding over" in an apparent effort to convey the false impression that the job losses in question and the recession were solely the fault of Bush and his policies. This is fraudulent on several levels. First, "presiding over" is not synonymous with "responsible for" regardless of how often it's repeated, though that is the manner in which it's being used. Second, these job losses and the associated economic downturn began before Bush took office.

In regards to unemployment, again, there is no lie or distortion in stating that unemployment peaked in June of last year and has been declining since. The other issues related to that fact don't invalidate it in itself.

As for the tax cuts, it's only natural that the people who make the most money see the greatest result of such cuts. If you pay more in taxes, and the rates are cut, you'll see greater returns. Conversely, those who pay little or no federal income tax to begin with will of course see less returns from such cuts. No distortion there in either end of the spectrum.

And finally, Mr. Krugman is himself distorting the facts when it comes to Kerry and his distortions and lies. As I noted in a previous thread NPR has a good, informative segment on in the mornings after the debates, and takes the claims of the debate participants and compares those claims to the objective facts of the matters discussed in the debate. Their findings, throughout the debates? Kerry and Edwards were just as guilty as Bush and Cheney when it came to distortions, misrepresentations, and outright lies. The difference isn't that Bush/Cheney are "fundamentally dishonest", but that Krugman's personal politics are more in line with Kerry/Edwards and he can't see beyond that horizon. Even NPR, liberal-leaning as they tend to be, was a far more objective source for reasoned analysis of the claims in question than the NYT or Krugman.

~mark~