Sticking to the issues

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Registered: 03-17-2006
Sticking to the issues
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Tue, 09-16-2008 - 7:53am
While McCain/Palin continue their political campaign of distract and react, I would like to try to focus the attention of voters on the issues.
The economy is in deep do-do.
The political state in Iraq has made little if any progress during the time of the so-called surge. Though violence has subsided somewhat, the three sides there still are at odds and are no closer to reconciling their differences than they were before the surge. Anytime, the civic war there could heat up again. Probably after the upcoming election it will.
Health care costs continue to rise, along with the cost of everything.
We have $10-12 billion dollars to spend every month in Iraq, yet those folks have a stash of money from their oill sales. Why are they not using that money to pay for our services there?
If we can waste that money there, why can we not spend a few dollars helping the Americans who have been hurt by Hurricane Ike? Our response there seems similar to the Katrina fiasco.
These are all issues that we need to be focused on as we head into the stretch run of the presidential race.
The big question to be asked is, are you better off today than you were before George W. Bush took office? John McCain is the voice of status quo. If you like what Bush has done for our country, then vote for McCain.
On the other hand, if you want change, you must vote for Obama.

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Registered: 09-08-2008
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 12:58pm

No, the equation is much simpler than that…don’t kill innocent human life. Besides, The government already controls your body. If you don’t mind them giving you rights and protections why would you deny them to someone else…like a baby?


So what is a solution to the problem? Just because you believe (not saying I don't) that a 4 to 12 week fetus is a baby doesn't mean others do. If it's not yet a baby to them then they are not killing a baby in their mind.



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Registered: 01-23-2008
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 1:01pm
I'm so glad that "trashing" of Obama makes you like him a lot more.
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Registered: 03-30-2007
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 1:38pm

OOOOHHH...... becareful.

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Registered: 09-15-2008
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 1:41pm

"What is prudence? It is the ability to grasp the unique pattern of a specific situation. It is the ability to absorb the vast flow of information and still discern the essential current of events — the things that go together and the things that will never go together. It is the ability to engage in complex deliberations and feel which arguments have the most weight."


How do you feel about an oil man named Pickens?

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Registered: 09-09-2008
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 2:05pm

<<< Yeah, and I don’t feel that classes on sexually transmitted diseases is appropriate for kindergarten…but call me old fashioned.

*** Perhaps you need to read the quote that you posted.

Perhaps you should, instead of glossing over it and then imagining what it said.

*** It says sex education for K-12. And you logically conclude that the sexually transmitted diseases part is taught in kindergarten? Come on, even you can't believe that.

Here is the text from the bill (emphasis mine)...

"EACH class or course in comprehensive sex education IN ANY OF GRADES K through 12 SHALL INCLUDE instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV."
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session

I offered you this link previously. It's an article that examines precisely what the bill says and what it's intent is. Hopefully you'll read it, rather than imagine what it says, before offering your reply.

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NzI3ZDUzOTE0ZThlMTU3MTY0MDI4ZTY0MTZhY2I2MGY

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Registered: 09-09-2008
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 2:13pm
Sure..."hope" and "change"...and socialism...and power...
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Registered: 01-23-2008
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 2:23pm
Love the pix.
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Registered: 09-09-2008
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 2:52pm

<<< No, the equation is much simpler than that…don’t kill innocent human life. Besides, The government already controls your body. If you don’t mind them giving you rights and protections why would you deny them to someone else…like a baby?

*** So what is a solution to the problem?

Um…revoke abortion on demand?

*** Just because you believe (not saying I don't) that a 4 to 12 week fetus is a baby doesn't mean others do. If it's not yet a baby to them then they are not killing a baby in their mind.

Bull. They use certain words to try and absolve themselves of their deeds. Ask a mother who wants an abortion what “it” is and they’ll probably respond…an “embryo/fetus”…but ask the same woman a few years later who’s pregnant and intends to keep “it” and suddenly “it” becomes…a “baby.”

<<< Right…and I guess that you’re one of those people who believe that fewer people will do drugs if they’re legalized. LOL!

*** No, I am one of those people that believe my way is best for me even though it may not be best for others. I have told my story about my mothers drug abuse on this site several times so you should know my answer to this question.

No, sorry, I haven’t read about your family issues…poor choice of analogy. But I also don’t agree with your “hands off” approach to morality. There should be moral standards…like not killing your children. Just because YOU decide not to beat your three-year old, doesn’t mean that it’s ok for someone else to beat their kid…or that it’s none of your business if they do.

<<< Really? She’s being “responsible” by killing her child because it’s inconvenient? Boy, I sure hope she doesn’t become “responsible” when the kid is two or three

*** Maybe it is better that she have an abortion at 8 weeks because she is afraid she may not be able to handle a child at all.

If she can’t be responsible for her actions then maybe she’s not responsible enough to be having sex and should keep her legs together.

*** Would you rather her have the baby only to murder it later in life??

Yes, I’m a big fan of drowning your children if they become inconvenient. I keep my tub filled at all times. ; )

*** You don't know peoples life and it is really naive of you to think you can judge others and then go the extra mile of controlling them.

Happens every day…with your consent.

<<< YOU said that she was “on her own.” I presume that was because the father was out of the picture…which usually means the weren’t in a real relationship.

*** Presume, assume it's all the same.

Except I based my “presumption” on the information YOU provided.

<<< I presume that is wasn’t casual because they’re intending to get married.

*** Shot gun weddings to save political careers and public judgement always work out???

Wow…so much for “not passing judgment on other people.” LOL! So you’re a mind-reader now too?

<<< For many women, that’s a goal in life. Say, you’re not a Palin-hater, are you?

*** I am talking a girl in high school NOT a grown women HUGE difference.

Maybe the girl in high school isn’t mature enough to take on the responsibilities of having sex?

<<< Vote McCain and tell those women-hating feminists where to “go.”

*** Those "women haters" gave you the right to vote. Maybe the shouldn't have??

No, they didn’t…and the people who worked to get women the right to vote certainly wouldn’t have attacked Palin for her accomplishments like those feminazi hags are doing.

<<< Aah…denial. You asked for proof, I gave you proof and now all that’s left is denial. Pretty pathetic.

*** If I would have given you proof of something off of Obama's site you would have said the same thing. Smell the hypocrisy.

Hardly. Refute the FACTS…not the source.

<<< Other’s manage without the medical anatomy lesson for their young children.

*** O'my heck can you explain to me what is so AWFUL about my son calling his penis a penis? Is that not what it is!

You/he can call it whatever you like…it was your assertion that calling it a “cute name” would somehow cause him to be ashamed of his body…which is ridiculous.

<<< Aah…the old I put my daughter on “birthcontrol” that she’s NOT on. Sounds very effective. BTW, is the depo shot 100% effective? I sure hope so.

*** OK, this is were you miss the whole "open dialogue" part of the post. When women act like sex is an embarrassment then their children will too.

No, they won’t. They’ll make up their own minds about sex, probably based on their peer experiences, not their parents.

*** There children will not only be less likely to come to them but more likely to get pregnant.

Stupid is as stupid does…talking with your parents doesn’t make you less likely to get pregnant. And do you really imagine that Sarah Palin hasn’t talked to her kids about sex and it’s ramifications? Sorry, it’s a fact of life…kids make stupid choices.

*** The depo shot is .99 percent effective. Couple the depo shot with condoms at were close to a 100%.

IF you keep getting the shot every 3 months consistently…but be careful, Depo is used to chemically castrate pedophiles, but maybe a diminished libido in teens is a good thing. It can also cause substantial weight gain…so maybe it’s 99% effectiveness is attributed to the woman not wanting to have sex and also being so fat that no one wants to have sex with her…(sardonic humor).

<<< Hey, here’s a quote from Sarah Palin from a magazine interview…“She is more of a book worm and is with us most of the time. She doesn't go out with friend without us there because none of her friends parents are interested in taking them anywhere and they are to young to wonder around on their own. If she starts high school and does the "going out thing" she will start depo and be provided with condoms. Do I want her to have sex.HECK NO! Am I going to stick my head in the sand and pretend it won't happen because I raised her to wait, NO!

*** I highly doubt Palin had time for her daughter much less had talks about sex education.

More mind-reading and judgments about others…nice.

<<< She has issues because she like to eat and she’s fat…not because she named her vagina “Vajayjay.”

*** People that are over weight have several body imagine problems it's not as easy as saying they are fat, sorry.

It’s not an “image” problem…she’s physically obese…fat…fact.

<<< Seems like some things could be done in private. It’s not like getting a shot takes hours or anything…and I presume that your daughter is in school? At any rate, I don’t see the equity with private, personal IVF and sex ed lessons…not that I disagree with teaching a teenager about sex…in fact, I support it.

*** I'll go out on a limb here and say you never went through IVF. There are up to 10 shots a day, up to two doctors appointments a day, your belly gets huge, and you can have lots of mood swings too. How was I suppose to explain to her I was pregnant?? The stork brought it??

Your teenage daughter thinks babies are brought by storks? Really?

*** Again, you go with the "I know how you should live your life" idea.

Wow…imagine the hypocrisy after all of the snide comments and innuendos you’ve made about Sarah Palin and her family.

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Registered: 01-28-2004
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 3:01pm

" I highly doubt Palin had time for her daughter much less had talks about sex education."


With that statement. you're saying women can't raise kids and a

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