Wake up?

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2007
Wake up?
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Mon, 09-22-2008 - 11:35pm

I keep returning to this board in the hopes that there will be some intellectual, thoughtful dialogue going on...And I am always so disappointed.


I think so many of you who post here are really smart and insightful, and have a lot of great things to say...But I'm just wondering when an intelligent conversation is going to take place.


I'm really not trying to be offensive, but it just seems that someone poses a question or a thought, and then it's off to the races about how much op-ed 'evidence' and partisan subjectivity one can possibly squeeze into a post.


Is there no one here, besides me, who believes in analyzing BOTH candidates with the same critical eye, and then moving forward with discussion that leads to some kind of thoughtful debate?


I keep saying this, and no one replies to me.  But I believe it's important enough to keep nagging about....And so, I will.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 09-22-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Mon, 09-22-2008 - 11:40pm

Is there no one here, besides me, who believes in analyzing BOTH candidates with the same critical eye, and then moving forward with discussion that leads to some kind of thoughtful debate?


iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2007
In reply to: kalielu
Mon, 09-22-2008 - 11:43pm
Meaning, it's hopeless?...or that you've taken so strongly to one side you are only trying to speak the truth of that side?
iVillage Member
Registered: 09-22-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Mon, 09-22-2008 - 11:47pm

I'm voting for Obama - don't know if that answers your question - maybe it does....

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2007
In reply to: kalielu
Mon, 09-22-2008 - 11:52pm

Well, no. I think you can know you want to vote for Obama and still be able to intelligently discuss his flaws as well as those of the opposing party.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-22-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 12:03am
I guess if 250,000was considered middle class - I'd be concerned LOL...
iVillage Member
Registered: 09-15-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 12:04am

I’ve tried, taking such a route only invites being vilified.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-25-2007
In reply to: kalielu
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 12:21am

Just putting in my 2 cents.

Sopal

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iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2007
In reply to: kalielu
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 1:05am
OK, a couple of people have said that.
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2007
In reply to: kalielu
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 1:11am

that link didn't work on my computer...i tried!


no, i know there are people here who try to start good conversations and then it gets overtaken...i really try to say things like "not all" and "some" to make sure that people like you don't think i'm talking about you!


i guess i just get frustrated : )

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-08-2003
In reply to: kalielu
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 1:21am

As an Independent, I have evaluated both candidates. I am willing to have honest discussions about the issues, the good and the bad of each candidate. Unfortunately, what I get in response is usually snarky and insulting. Both sides have their extremes. Some people who claim to be fair and unbiased, are anything but! In this election, I know I'm biased! However my biases were developed on my own observations, and research. You'll find all types here. An observation i, and a few others here have made, is liberals will denounce the actions of a liberal president when warrented. However, in all my years on this board, I have yet to hear a conservative admit a conservative president has ever done anything wrong. That, in and of itself, makes it hard to carry on an intelligent conversation.


Sopal and Sue Mox are two of the most unbiased people on this board. They will always present facts in a calm, accurate

 Rose

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