i'm confused, how did obama....

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Registered: 08-20-2008
i'm confused, how did obama....
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Fri, 09-26-2008 - 9:43pm
6 years ago oppose the war in iraq? was he in senate then?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 8:59pm

>>> But I frequently reexamine my ideologies.

Odd then that you keep coming up with the same flawed ones, isn't it? LOL!

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-29-2008
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 9:44pm
I think your arguments are strong, intelligent, and entertaining. I find myself scanning the board to read them.
iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 10:29pm

< Sorry, I don't swallow propaganda.

>>> Obviously you don't swallow the truth either. Interesting, you call a video showing McCain saying he's against government regulation, propaganda?! That's beyond belief!

Hey, wait! I've got a video of Obama where he keeps saying that McCain is right! It's right there in the video! Thanks...glad to know we've proven what we already know "beyond belief!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetdVxIKj0s

>>> If you don't believe seeing McCain actually saying this, then you're impossible. Right from the horses mouth, and you don't believe it.

Hey, wait! I have a video of Obama saying that he's not qualified! Right from the horses a$$!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4yCwqtuv5Q&feature=related

And then I've got another video of Joe Biden, Obama's VP saying that Obama's not qualified! Right from the horses mouth!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/19948322#19948322

And then I've got another video of Hillary Clinton saying that Obama's not qualified! Right from the horses mouth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lknTPvH1wSg

And then I've got another video of Chris Dodd saying that Obama's not qualified! Right from the horses mouth! There's all the proof you need!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn6ZneR2ias

It's right there on video IN THEIR OWN WORDS! OBAMA ISN'T QUALIFIED! All of the Democrats say it's so!

>>> That tells a lot about you, like you didn't even bother watching the video. Can't deal with being proven wrong?! I know a lot of people have a problem admitting when they are wrong.

I"m just waiting for your reply after reviewing the videos above. To be honest, I expect that you'll ignore them or try to put out some kind of loony spin...after all, a lot of people have a problem admitting when they're wrong. Let's see how you do.

>>> The Democrats were powerless in 2005,

< Um...if that's the case, why didn't the Bush and McCain proposals to reform Fannie and Freddie ever happen? Specifically please.

>>> If you read my last post to you, you would know, as I gave you specifics. Ok, I'll try to explain it to you again. 1. the democrats didn't take control of the house until 2006. That means they couldn't help or hinder McCain's proposal, as they never were given a chance to. 2. Before bringing a bill to the house to be voted on, it goes to a committee first, to be discussed and tweaked when necessary. 3. McCain's proposal never made it out of the committee. I don't know why the republicans killed it in committee, but they did. 4. Since the proposal was killed in committee, it was never presented to the house for voting on. Hence, the democrats had nothing to do with killing it, as they never had a chance. Now do you understand? You can ask your republican senator why they killed it.

Let's see if I can cut through this generic nonsense and focus on the key point...McCain's reform bill...you seem to have some kind of belief that REPUBLICAN Senator John McCain proposed a bill, and that the bill was sent to committee and that the Democratssat there twiddling their thumbs while the Republicans gathered around to kill it, and you admit that you have no information on which to base this supposition? LOL! Sorry...no.

< This moronic tripe again? Try reading a few facts instead of propaganda...

>>> It's disingenuous of you to call the VIDEO moronic tripe, as it's a video of McCain speaking. You obviously haven't even watched it. So much for even being interested in learning the truth. If you believe what McCain had to say was propaganda, it just shows you have no idea what you are talking about. How about watching the video, instead of giving me something to read, and assuming that's what I did to you.

As I said, I'm eager to hear your reaction to the MANY videos I've posted above. But to address your point...yes, I did watch the video, yes it is propaganda, and yes McCain supports deregulation...certain deregulation on certain issues, not the idiotic, broadbrush "DEREGULATE THE WORLD" kind of crap that your propaganda tries to imply. If you want to discuss McCain's positions on deregulation, then research exactly what he wanted to deregulate and why...then put forth your argument. Liberal propaganda simply isn't going to cut it.

>>> I'm through trying to have an honest discussion with you. You have your blinders on, and you couldn't care less about learning the truth about anything. That's really sad, to want to live in a pretend world. I would much rather investigate to find out the truth, even though I may not like it. You might want to try it sometime.

You have to be honest in order to have an honest discussion. Your little videopropaganda is anything but honest about McCain's position on deregulation.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 11:00pm

>>> I wish you could chill out a little bit.

Actually, I'm quite relaxed. You should see the cushy chair I'm sitting in and the big screen plasma that I'm watching as I combat liberalism run amok. ; )

>>> I'm sorry that McCain is turning out to be such a liar. I'm sorry that Palin is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Looks like we've managed to spread your disappointment over our entire ticket, while you've chosen one man, Obama, to be the storehouse of inadequacy. LOL!

>>> I'm sorry that Bush has been as bad a president as it is possible to be, and I'm sorry that they were the ones that you have chosen to support.

And you've decided to compensate by nominating the most inexperienced, unqualified, elitist neophyte to top him? ; ) That'll show us!

>>> However, having made your choice, and since you shared your advice with me, mine is that perhaps you need to just settle in comfortably and see it all unfold and just go with the flow.

Isn't that what I'm doing?

>>> When President Obama does something that you don't like, this is surely the place to come and talk about it. You might be surprised that things go as well as they go when he is going to be presented with such a mess left to him by Bush and the republicans come inauguration day.

"President" Obama...LOL!

>>> I just heard a comedian say that this time "the winner" will probably want a recount. Funny and sad at the same time because there's a lot of truth in that.

You're certainly right. It's so unbelievable that Obama would get elected that they'd probably do a recount on the spot.

>>> But a young man not hampered so much by the advance of time, nor suffering from any incurable disease, nor one still trying to win a war that's been over for almost 40 years, or saddled with an admittedly lovely woman who thinks she's qualified to be VP because she can see Russia from her kitchen window - well, I firmly believe that young man will do an outstanding job.

It's a shame that "young" man is also not hampered with experience or good judgment, which makes him unqualified to be President. Even the "young" man himself, has said so...and who are you to argue with the "young" man's assessment of his own qualifications? Surely his judgment can't be that bad, can it?

>>> And if he falters in any way that touches you, there's this board to help you express your feelings. And isn't that a good thing?

It is indeed.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 11:12pm
Thanks very much...but be careful you don't get any "racism" on your feet as you go. Some libs have been dropping it and other like minded lefties have been stepping over it and making excuses for it.
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 09-29-2008 - 12:48am

You're kidding, right? The reason for the "evil grin" icon?

Because IF you're not, better'd go look at McCain's vote on expanding educational benefits for vets. He voted against them.

His support for the "surge" was political, not military--his party's head was, after all, responsible for us being in Iraq in the first place--and the "surge" idea was a civilian neocon concoction.

Ask McCain or any of his adherents to give definition to the word "victory" in terms which can be achieved militarily in Iraq. But don't hold your breath waiting because they don't HAVE such a specific answer.

Bracelets, flag lapel pins, pledges of allegiance--these are the TRAPPINGS of patriotism, support for the military, NOT THE ACTIONS. Anybody who cared about the men and women of our armed forces would be damn careful to not wage "pre-emptive" wars which have dragged on through mission creep; or natter on about "honor" and "sacrifice" while supporting courses of action which strain troops by back-to-back deployments in a hostile occupation. Think about it.

And another thing to consider is just where the military manpower will come from if a rash and bellicose President McCain is elected. Think "draft" because our armed forces, after almost six years of "war on terror" simply do not have the numbers for a showdown with Russia, North Korea, Iran or any other opportunistic power wannabe.

Gettingahandle


Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.


Facts stifle the will, hobble conviction.

Gettingahandle

Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 09-29-2008 - 3:55am
They usually let you play with clay too in those places. Our friend can make statues of all the gods he likes so much.
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 09-29-2008 - 4:04am

Maybe the fascination with Sanskrit is in this vein:

"Savitri Devi (September 30, 1905, Lyon, France — October 22, 1982, Essex, England) was the pseudonym of the French writer Maximiani Portaz,.
She became enamoured with Hinduism and Nazism, trying to synthesise the two, and proclaiming Adolf Hitler an avatar of the Hindu god Vishnu. Her writings have influenced neo-Nazism and Nazi mysticism. Although mystical in her conception of Nazism, Savitri Devi saw Nazism as a practical faith without the requirement of metaphysics. Among Savitri Devi's ideas was the classifications of "men above time", "men in time" and "men against time". She is credited with pioneering neo-Nazi interest in occultism, Deep Ecology, and the New Age movement. She influenced the Chilean diplomat Miguel Serrano. In 1982, Francisco Freda published a German translation of Gold in the Furnace; the fourth volume of his annual review, Risguardo (1980-), was devoted to Savitri Devi as the "missionary of Aryan Paganism"."

Let's not forget that in Hitler's day the Indo-European languages, which were then thought to descend from Sanskrit, were called "Indo-Aryan" and the original speakers were considered the original Aryans.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 09-29-2008 - 5:50am
Yeah, Hindus do not circumcise.
iVillage Member
Registered: 08-13-2008
Mon, 09-29-2008 - 7:14am

Well, first of all, I didn’t propose a flat tax, but since you mentioned it, everyone paying…say…15% of their income would at least have the appearance of “fairness”…and “the rich” would still pay exponentially more.


A flat tax isn't fair, it is regressive.


Wrong premise.


Fair enough. Please explain why.


Again… What services do the rich get for their tax money that the people who pay little or no taxes don’t get?


Here is a *biggie* that few people ever mention. Holding assets is completely dependent upon social stability. If there is a collapse in order, in economics (like we've been facing) assets fly out the window. Most assets are on paper, and even tangible assets can lose value. In the immediate aftermath of WWII in Europe, cigarettes were in huge demand and were an informal currency, while monetary assets were less so.


So the wealthy benefit hugely from law and order, from social programmes that contribute to stability, because it protects their assets. If things collapse, they can lose everything overnight.


They also have more of a stake in say... the UCC, in the various police and fire services, even in road use if they are invested or own businesses dependent on transportation, on financial regulation and law, etc.


Again, I’ve presented the positions of the two Presidential candidates and you’ve once again come back with “because I say so.” If the tax cuts screwed up the country then spare us the rhetoric and tell us HOW they screwed up the country and why Obama says he won’t remove then as long as the economy is weak?


I've already explained and you ignore... but the tax cuts piled onto our national debt, and along with this dumb and unneeded war, really increased what we owe as a nation, our debt held around the world.


I see the right talk about national security all the time, as if the left

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