what a JOKE

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Registered: 06-16-2007
what a JOKE
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Sat, 09-27-2008 - 5:32am

Please tell me that there is somebody on this board that believes, as I do, that McCain and Obama are one in the same.


Obama said throughout the whole debate, "I agree with McCain..."


MCain said throughout the whole debate, "I don't agree with Obama, but ultimately, yes, I agree."


Is anyone REALLY falling for it?  Does anyone REALLY think that things will be so dramatically different in this country whether McCain or Obama is president?  Really.


I will not be voting for either of them.


From day one, I have tried to encourage whoever I could to explore another option: someone who would actually affect Change while maintaining our rights as individuals.


Pretty much no one I know personally and no one with whom I've dialogued online has given that a chance.


I believe we, as the people, have Failed Terribly.  We could have motivated to make real change; we, as a people, chose not to.

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Registered: 08-20-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 12:23pm

"Combining a Democrat president with a democrat congress always triggers a Washington spending spree."

Um, what do you think we just had under Republican President Bush with the strong support of Senator McCain? If that wasn't a spending spree, then what is? Bush blew all our money on a tax cut we couldn't afford while we fought a war we couldn't afford. The Republicans don't deserve to be at the table until they reform themselves.

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Registered: 08-20-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 12:24pm
I respectfully disagree. Everyone's vote matters and is critical. No matter who you vote for, please vote. Participation is not just about who wins - it's essential that people voice their opinion in a Democracy. America deserves to know the popular vote.
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Registered: 03-25-2007
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 12:28pm


Kind of like when there was a Republican president with a Republican Congress....six years of deficit spending and growth of government.

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Registered: 04-06-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 1:26pm
You don't believe in voting, yet you obviously believe in complaining.
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Registered: 08-29-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 1:28pm

McCain has opposed Bush's spending spree (except for spending on the troops). The Democrat congress colludes with him on all the big spending EXCEPT the funding of the war.

With a Democrat president and congress we could lose the war overseas and invite more terrorism here on our soil, combined with a HUGE DOMESTIC SPENDING SPREE. Not good at all.

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Registered: 09-16-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 2:01pm
The electoral college was in part constructed as a reaction to Shays's Rebellion when a mob protest turned violent. In a nutshell the framers of our constitution were afraid to put too much power in the hands of common citizens. Initially Representatives were to be elected, they would pick the Senators and the Electors would elect the president. It was a system of checks and balances. I don't like it when the president who receives the most popular support loses to a president who has a brother who is governor of a swing state but I do kind of see where the framers of our constitution were coming from.
Ah the joys of having a daughter in AP US History - I am learning more than I knew I had forgotten this year - LOL!
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Registered: 03-30-2007
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 2:11pm

You are right.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-20-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 2:14pm

"McCain has opposed Bush's spending spree (except for spending on the troops). The Democrat congress colludes with him on all the big spending EXCEPT the funding of the war.

With a Democrat president and congress we could lose the war overseas and invite more terrorism here on our soil, combined with a HUGE DOMESTIC SPENDING SPREE. Not good at all."

Since you insist on using the word Democrat where proper English is to use Democratic, I am now describing the Republicans by another designation: fops, which means Fox-Republican officials and politicians. Just like Democrat sounds like rat when used in this way, which I am sure is how you feel about Democrats in general, fops has another innuendo for the politicians and officials to which it refers:

"Fop \Fop\, n.

One whose ambition it is to gain admiration by showy dress; a coxcomb; an inferior dandy."

http://www.dictionary.net/fop

So, now that we're on equal ground, let's talk about the fops.

Why do we have such a tremendous deficit? A huge part of this is the Iraq war. Who is the strongest proponent of the war, escalating the war, continuing the war indefinitely, and praising the wonderful things this war is somehow doing for us notwithstanding all the men and money we've blown?

Answer: John McCain. Try to deny this. Please do.

Now, at the same time we are blowing all our taxpayer money on this war, Bush instituted a massive tax cut that disproportionately benefited the richest Americans who need it the least. Who originally opposed the tax cut because it is fiscally reckless but then flip flopped for political reasons and now wants to continue this fiscally imprudent tax cut along with our fiscally imprudent war?

Answer: John McCain. Try to deny this too. Please do.

Now we have an economic crisis. Our fiscal house is weakened as a result of Bush and McCain's reckless policies. We are not able to withstand this crisis as well as we should as a result.

So what is all this other stuff you say John McCain has opposed? Can you please explain how it can possibly matter in view of the foregoing big picture?

I will say that McCain would not support spending to support our veterans, with a GI bill that was otherwise supported on a bipartisan basis. He would not support spending for poor and underprivileged kids health care. He would rather blow our money on an unnecessary war and massive tax cuts aimed at the rich.

That is why the Republican officials and politicians, cheered on by Fox no matter how badly they do, need to be removed from power. The fops are failures. They need to go.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-29-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 2:23pm
The Republican voters got rid of the RepubliCRATS in 2006. Then when Democrats took over the spending ballooned even more.
iVillage Member
Registered: 08-29-2008
In reply to: kalielu
Sat, 09-27-2008 - 2:37pm

??????????????? Do you know what the word "Democratic" means? If I had used the word "democratic" instead of "democrat" it would have completely changed the meaning of what I was trying to say. I said "A Democrat president and congress" If I have said "Democratic" president and congress my sentence would have meant another thing entirely.
Did you know that a Republican can be a "Democratic" president? Please look up the word before you start IMAGINING that I must hate Democrats because "it sounds like rat when I use it that way" ???? I used the word correctly, and I was speaking of a president who is a Democrat, as hopefully all of our presidents are Democratic.

And some of my BEST FRIENDS and beloved family are Democrats. I was an active Democrat myself for many years - and I do mean ACTIVE. I protested, I believed. I do not hate Democrats and I object to that implication. You and I are not on common ground. Not even close.




Edited 9/27/2008 4:22 pm ET by chillychillychilly