BO: 7 MAJOR FLIP-FLOPS at first debate!!

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BO: 7 MAJOR FLIP-FLOPS at first debate!!
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Sun, 09-28-2008 - 10:13am

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Saturday, September 27, 2008

NOT BAD... Obama Only Has 7 Major Flip Flops At First Debate



BARACK OBAMA-- CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

Barack Obama managed 7 major flip flops in 90 minutes at the Ole Miss debate on Friday September 26.

1.) Barack Obama said he "immediately and forcefully" condemned Russia for invading Georgia.
Not true- Here's video proof--

The Real Revo put this video together.
Obama misrepresents his response to the Russian invasion of Georgia:
(1 minute 43 seconds)

 


 


Obama is not telling the truth. He did not immediately, forcefully, condemn Russia for invading Georgia.
Not at all.

2.) Obama said Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger supported his plan to talk with rogue regime leaders without preconditions.
Then Obama tried to parse his words suggesting that "preparations" were the same as "preconditions."
Not true- Henry Kissinger responded immediately after the debate:

The Weekly Standard Blog reported:


Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: "Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality."

3.) Obama said he supported offshore drilling.
Unlikely- Questions remain.

During the primary Obama was against offshore drilling.
In August he said he may change his mind.
CNN reported:


He would be willing to compromise on his position against offshore oil drilling if it were part of a more overarching strategy to lower energy costs.

4.) Obama said he supported nuclear energy.
Not true- His preconditions make it impossible to expand nuclear energy at this time.

From The Wall Street Journal:


On nuclear power, Sen. Obama says he's open to expanding nuclear energy, which now provides 20% of the nation's electricity, as part of an effort to increase power sources that emit little or no carbon dioxide. But he also has said there is no future for expanded nuclear energy until the U.S. comes up with a safe, long-term solution for disposing of nuclear waste. He opposes the Bush administration's plan for storing waste at Yucca Mountain in Nevada.

5.) Last night Barack Obama said he was in favor of missile defense systems.
Not true- Here's video proof--

Obama was clear about his opposition to "unproven" missile defense earlier this year in his ad!

Cuffy Perfunction posted the video clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP06C37o35Q&eurl=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/not-bad-obama-only-has-7-major-flip.html





Great job on the video by the way!

6.) Barack Obama said "No soldier dies in vain."
That's a flop.

HotAir reported on how Obama shamelessly contradicted himself of troops dying in vain.
In Barack Obama's antiwar speech in 2002:


Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

7.) Barack Obama says he supports the middle class.
Not True- Barack Obama has voted at least 94 Times for higher taxes during his three years in the U.S. Senate.
Barack Obama voted for increasing taxes on individuals earning as little as $31,850:


"Under both Democratic plans, tax rates would increase by 3 percentage points for each of the 25 percent, 28 percent and 33 percent brackets. At present, the 25 percent bracket begins at $31,850 for individuals and $63,700 for married couples. The 35 percent bracket on incomes over $349,700 would jump to 39.6 percent."

That's not support for the middle class!
Oh... And, most Americans don't support infanticide, either.

Meanwhile... The liberal media has to really nitpick to find a McCain exaggeration.

 


 

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The sad thing is, Mr. Obama knows the MSM will not only cover all his lies, they will echo his lies repeatedly until the non-political junkies believe them to be the truth.


If McCain was caught lying, MSM will keep looping the lies over and over again for the coming month.


A lie from McCain is suicidal, a lie from Obama is a resume enhancer.


 



Edited 9/28/2008 10:16 am ET by uspatriot08
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Sun, 09-28-2008 - 10:28am

Oh Please!!!!


If you want to talk about major flip-flops let's talk about McCain's prior theory of how the fundemantals of our economy are strong.


Let's talk about how he then

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Registered: 09-16-2008
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 11:06am

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So, when is the funeral? Seems McLie has told a bunch of whoppers lately and I havent' heard of any funerals. But nice try - just what are you going to do with all of your free time once the election is over and you don't have to keep digging up nonsense?

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Registered: 07-05-2006
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 11:18am

But nice try - just what are you going to do with all of your free time once the election is over and you don't have to keep digging up nonsense?


Probably still keep trying to dig up stuff to be afraid of.

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Registered: 09-16-2008
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 11:24am
LOL - sometimes I wonder about the nuts who just have to keep trying long after everyone else has clearly decided they were on the fringe.
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Registered: 09-25-2008
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 11:45am
Yeah. Awful:


Jukebox John keeps changing his tune





It’s obvious that the McCain campaign and the RNC have decided to go after Barack Obama as a flip-flopper. What’s equally obvious, though, that Republicans couldn’t have chosen a worse narrative.


McCain & Co. seemed to stumble on this line of attack almost by accident. They’d experimented with a variety of memes in recent months, none of which had any real salience. The right settled on “flip-flopper,” in large part because it’s the closest available, already-written Republican narrative, and in part because McCain staffers haven’t been able to think of anything else.


The irony, of course, is that the McCain campaign couldn’t have picked a more hypocritical line of attack. Below you’ll find a comprehensive list of reversals from the Republican nominee, numbered and organized by category for easier reference.


Remember, McCain recently said, “This election is about trust and trusting people’s word.” Just a few days prior, the McCain campaign admonished Obama for trying to “have it both ways” on issues.


I should note that there’s nothing offensive about a political figure changing his or her mind once in a while. Policy makers come to one conclusion, they gain more information, and then they reach a different conclusion. That is, to be sure, a good thing — it reflects a politician with an open mind and a healthy intellectual curiosity. Better to have a leader who changes his or her mind based on new information than one who stubbornly sticks to outmoded policy positions, regardless of facts or circumstances.


So why do McCain’s flip-flops matter? Because all available evidence suggests his reversals aren’t sincere, they’re cynically calculated for political gain. This isn’t indicative of an open mind; it’s actually indicative of a character flaw. And given the premise of McCain’s presidential campaign, it’s an area in desperate need of scrutiny.


The perception people have of McCain is outdated, reflective of a man who no longer has any use for his previous persona. What’s wrong with a politician who changes his or her views? Nothing in particular, but when a politician changes his views so much that he has an entirely different worldview, is it unreasonable to wonder whether it’s entirely sincere? Especially when there’s no other apparent explanation for six dozen significant reversals?


McCain has been in Congress for more than a quarter-century; he’s bound to shift now and then on various controversies. But therein lies the point — McCain was consistent on most of these issues, right up until he started running for president, at which point he conveniently abandoned literally dozens of positions he used to hold. The problem isn’t just the incessant flip-flops — though that’s part of it — it’s more about the shameless pandering and hollow convictions behind the incessant flip-flops. That the media still perceives McCain as some kind of “straight talker” who refuses to sway with the political winds makes this all the more glaring.


Here’s the list.


National Security Policy


1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.


2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.


3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”


4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.


5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.


6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.


Foreign Policy


7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. Now, he’s for it again.


8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.


9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.


10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.


11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.


12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.


13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.


Military Policy


14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”


15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.


16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.


17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”


18. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.


19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.


20. McCain staunchly opposed Obama’s Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama’s policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like “a pretty good timetable.”


Domestic Policy


21. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)


22. On Social Security, McCain said he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Soon after, asked about a possible increase in the payroll tax, McCain said there’s “nothing that’s off the table.”


23. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.


24. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.


25. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.


26. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.


27. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.


28. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.


29. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.


30. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.


31. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.


32. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.


33. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.


34. And on gay adoption, McCain initially said he’d rather let orphans go without families, then his campaign reversed course, and soon after, McCain reversed back.


35. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court’s Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, “I’m committed to making sure that there’s equal pay for equal work. That … is my record and you can count on it.”


36. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.


37. McCain was for affirmative action before he was against it.


38. McCain said the Colorado River compact will “obviously” need to be “renegotiated.” Six days later, McCain said, “Let me be clear that I do not advocate renegotiation of the compact.”


Economic Policy


39. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.


40. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.


41. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.


42. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.


43. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.


44. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”


45. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.


46. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.


47. McCain was against massive government bailouts of “big banks” that “act irresponsibly.” He then announced his support for a massive government bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.


Energy Policy


48. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.


49. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.


50. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.


51. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.


52. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.


53. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.


Immigration Policy


54. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, he announced his opposition to the bill. In 2008, McCain switched back.


55. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.


56. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”


Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law


57. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.


58. McCain’s position was that the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.


59. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.


60. In June, McCain rejected the idea of a trial for Osama bin Laden, and thought Obama’s reference to Nuremberg was a misread of history. A month later, McCain argued the exact opposite position.


61. In June, McCain described the Supreme Court’s decision in Boumediene v. Bush was “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.” In August, he reversed course.


Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform


62. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.


63. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.


64. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.


65. In May 2008, McCain approved a ban on lobbyists working for his campaign. In July 2008, his campaign reversed course and said lobbyists could work for his campaign.


Politics and Associations


66. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)


67. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.


68. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.


69. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.


70. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.


71. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.


72. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.


73. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.


74. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.


75. McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.


76. McCain has been both for and against considering a pro-choice running mate for the Republican presidential ticket.


If and when you learn of a reversal that has not yet made the list, I hope you’ll let me know.


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Sun, 09-28-2008 - 11:47am
Wingnut is as wingnut does (or, perhaps, as wingnut Welshes-upon, LOL)