I'm a Bitter Gun Owner and I Vote

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-29-2008
I'm a Bitter Gun Owner and I Vote
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Mon, 09-29-2008 - 10:33am

How do you guys feel about Obama's ignorance about and votes against the second amendment?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 10:52pm

unfortunately, the lemming theory has been debunked... it was foisted on all of us by Walt Disney...

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 10-03-2008 - 9:56am

Wow. A response which accuses another of "ignorance" while at the same time omitting, for whatever reason, to actually include the quotation on which you have based the accusation. How ironic is that!?

Given the propensity for spin in so much of politics, paraphrasing is a poor substitute for a quotation.

Gettingahandle


Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.


Facts stifle the will, hobble conviction.

Gettingahandle

Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 10-03-2008 - 10:25am

Thanks for the clarification. Punctuation can certainly make a vast difference in how thoughts are communicated. You might consider reading "Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation"!

But guess what. We have institutionalized our militias. They're the state National Guard units--armed and paid for by the states. And we have standing armed forces which are (duh!) "armed". We do NOT depend on private citizens to form ad hoc militias which have standing regulations. There is a distinct shift between the second amendment as it was written and the practices of the day; as opposed to the ways in which firearms are used today and how the nation defends itself or handles civil emergencies.

I do not agree that the wording of the "well-regulated militias" is an example. There are no other "examples" in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. They were very terse documents and extraneous phrases were simply not used.

With regards to developing technology, sure, there had been some changes in the "technology" of the day. But it was only the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. Did the writers envision the portability and degree of destruction of today's semi-automatic weapons which are comparable to the field artillery pieces of that period? Did they imagine handguns which could be tucked into a pocket? Did they know that the nation would evolve from agrarian and rural; to industrial and suburban/urban? Maybe, maybe not.

Gettingahandle


Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.


Facts stifle the will, hobble conviction.

Gettingahandle

Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-29-2008
Fri, 10-03-2008 - 10:31am

It took about two seconds to google it. Here it is, in context. The statement was even more ignorant than I remembered. Thanks for suggesting I look it up. He said it during his senatorial debate with Alan Keyes.

"Now, Mr. Keyes suggested that, somehow, because criminals break the law, that we shouldn't have laws in the first place. That defies logic. People break all sorts of laws, but we still have the laws in place.

"And the fact of the matter is, is that Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits, that I can tell, with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, and that is to kill people, unless you're seeing a lot of deer out there wearing bullet-proof vests, then there is no purpose for many of the guns."

He mixed up the "assault weapon" and "armor-piercing bullet" debates because he was obviously IGNORANT of the fact that ordinary hunting ammunition can penetrate "bullet-proof vests."

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-03-2003
Fri, 10-03-2008 - 11:10am

The state National Guard units are reserve components of the armed forces of the United States, subject to federal control.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-03-2003
Fri, 10-03-2008 - 11:30am

Oh, almost forgot.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-03-2008
Fri, 10-03-2008 - 12:35pm

Here is Obama's stance on guns.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html


Look, it's no secret that Republicans LOVE their guns and their RELIGION.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-03-2003
Fri, 10-03-2008 - 1:37pm

Not a Republican, but

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
Fri, 10-03-2008 - 1:59pm

Obama has repeatedly defended gun bans such as DC and Chicago have, which, in the case of DC, has been held to be unconstitutional.


The bottom line is that Obama is not on the side of gun owners.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-01-2004
Sat, 10-04-2008 - 1:07pm

I support certain limits on gun ownership BUT I understand that criminals will not follow the laws, whatever they are.

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