OMG. Palin has no brain.

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OMG. Palin has no brain.
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Wed, 10-01-2008 - 8:09pm

Never - ever - have I heard more a vacuous, vapid response to a question from a major candidate for public office:


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/01/eveningnews/main4493062.shtml


Please, people.  Please.  You cannot put this bimbo in the White House.

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Registered: 01-18-2006
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 8:46am

<<I am so tired of every conservative bringing up Ayers as a convicted terrorist! First of all, Ayers was NEVER convicted, Second, Obama was nine years old when Ayers was active,>>


You are correct.

 

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Mon, 10-06-2008 - 8:55am

<<LOL, whatever are you talking about? Ayers is not a terrorist, or he would be in jail! When Ayers was active with the Weathermen, Obama was nine years old. The same groups they are in? The only "groups" they have been in,

 

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Registered: 03-25-2007
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 9:44am
You may misunderstand...there is no group calling themselves neocrats (or neocratics), but there is a defined group called neoconservatives.

Sopal

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Registered: 03-25-2007
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 9:49am

(eye roll)


It is easy to grasp how the Republican party seems to have been overtaken by extremists.

Sopal

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Registered: 09-25-2008
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:41am
Actually, what I have is evidence that is strong.


Only in the olfactory sense of the word. But even that's not strictly true, either, since you actually told antineocon you had "proof" (your words).

Hence the evidence...duh.


A few satellite photos of trucks at a compound and a pile of Sean Inanity's fever-dreams don't actually add up to "evidence," you know. But keep trying; maybe you'll get there someday.

I don't think anyone is too worked up over a Hagee endorsement


I don't think anyone's losing sleep over it, either....but it - along with the Parsley one - will be a nice one-or-two-sentence way to simply dispose of the whole "Rev. Wright" crap, if (when) McCain re-dredges THAT up (because he's got nothing left to run on.

More to the point, though, is reflecting back upon the great(ly silly) rhetorical lengths to deny that anyone could prove (and therefore couldn't conclude) that McCain had indeed sought out Hagee's endorsement. It was true, of course....but that didn't stop you from trying to deny that fact until it could no longer be denied.

Like I said: BWAHAHAHAHA. :D

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Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:52am
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Mon, 10-06-2008 - 12:03pm
No I am not misunderstanding.

 

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Mon, 10-06-2008 - 12:20pm

Since you've

Sopal

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Mon, 10-06-2008 - 12:33pm
Good grief. How do you feel about McCain's long-standing associations with G. Gordon Liddy, the notorious Nixon thug/felon (and now radio-show host)?

Liddy
served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in
and the break-in at the office of
the psychiatrist of Daniel
Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers.
Liddy has acknowledged
preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if
necessary"; plotting
to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting
with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from
cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and
plotting
to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National
Convention -- a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology
borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder,
firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During
the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions
on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also
reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary
Clinton.



Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain's
campaigns since 1998, including $1,000
in February 2008. In
addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy's radio show during the
presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video
labeled "John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07" includes a
discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an "old
friend." During the segment, McCain praised Liddy's "adherence to the
principles and philosophies that keep our nation great," said he was
"proud" of Liddy, and said that "it's always a pleasure for me
to come on your program."



Additionally, in 1998, Liddy reportedly held a fundraiser at his home for
McCain. Liddy was reportedly scheduled to speak at another fundraiser for McCain in 2000. The Charlotte Observer reported on January 23, 2000, that McCain's
campaign vouched for Liddy's "character":




His campaign
officials said Liddy's character will appeal to many voters because he was
following orders from President Nixon and kept silent afterward.



"His (Liddy's) judgment might
be in question, but I don't think his character is," said Ed Walker, the York County
chairman of McCain's campaign. "He was following orders just like any good
soldier, and he didn't tell on anybody. He felt like he was on a mission and
kept his silence."




The salient point about Obama's association with Ayers is that, during the time that Ayers committed what Obama has later (and repeatedly) described as "detestable acts," Obama was 8 and 9 years old. And, when they met as adults, many years later, Ayers' radical activist past was already many years behind him. You can say what you like about "he's never repented, said he didn't do enough," etc....but the facts are that he HASN'T done anything like that in years, and if the police thought he was a terrorist and/or dangerous today, he'd be in jail for those crimes. The G. Gordon Liddy analogy is 100% on-target as a comparison, because Liddy - like Ayers - never repented (in fact insists he is proud of) not only his crimes, but his having shut up and taken other secrets to jail with him, instead of testifying against others who were also plotting to disrupt the process of America's democracy (among other things).

(once again, Digby cuts right to the core of it:

The right is proud of its miscreants and felons and ascribes their motives to Goldwater's dictum, "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." Celebrated right wing pundit Ann Coulter even went so far as to say:

My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.

The Republicans and the mainstream media (masochistically) call that a joke. But I have a sneaking suspicion if anyone tried to joke about William Ayers, we'd have a hissy fit the size of Hurricane Katrina on our hands.

The fact is that what many people would call violent, eliminationist rhetoric is common among the right wing, but has become so mainstream that the country doesn't even see it anymore. Instead, it's being projected onto the ghosts of a small handful of leftist radicals who in reality are now placid, aging academics musing about their former glories before an audience of 13 English majors.


She goes on at some length (worth reading) about other things, including an academic study of political attitudes over the years, which resulted in data which showed a marked upswing among the general population in attitudes consistent with both authoritarianism andindividualized, atomized, "rage-filled" anomie, at once both more puritanical and more nihilistic. Digby goes on to mention that:

didn't happen because of Bill Ayers pontificating from his Hyde Park living room about revolution. That happened because of people like Rush Limbaugh who have audiences of 20 million people a week, and who described Abu Ghraib like this:

This is no different than what happens at the skull and bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You of heard of need to blow some steam off?"

And these American prisoners of war -- have you people noticed who the torturers are? Women! The babes! The babes are meting out the torture...You know, if you look at -- if you, really, if you look at these pictures, I mean, I don't know if it's just me, but it looks just like anything you'd see Madonna, or Britney Spears do on stage. Maybe I'm -- yeah. And get an NEA grant for something like this. I mean, this is something that you can see on stage at Lincoln Center from an NEA grant, maybe on Sex in the City -- the movie. I mean, I don't -- it's just me.

That study was a very revealing portrait of today's America and explains some things about why the right has been so successful. And it's the opposite of what the political analysts insist it is. It isn't because they've become more moral and religious. It's because they've fostered and exploited cruelty and anger. For all their crowing about traditional values, it's the right that has embraced decadence, sadism, nihilism and corruption under the cover of religion. We've come to the point where the president of the United States decrees that activities that have been described as torture for thousands of years are perfectly moral and legal....

It's not religious values these people are selling. They are selling a brutal, domineering, degenerate culture, making their listeners and viewers wallow in it, plumbing the depths of the subconscious, drawing forth Goyaesque images of bestiality and violence and death. That's a feature of some religions, to be sure, but it's not the nice upright Christian morality everybody's pretending it is....

If William Ayers' youthful radicalism is relevant to this campaign, you'd think that people would question why McCain is involved with former Nixon henchmen from the same era. Ayers was exiled to the far corners of Illinois academia where a young state senator might cross paths with him at a local event, but would never dream of hiring him to work on his campaign. And Bill Ayers was certainly never feted with awards for his national radio show where he alludes to his desire to kill the President of the United States.
Indeed, sadly.

edited to fix broken links.


Edited 10/6/2008 12:45 pm ET by palin_in_comparison

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Mon, 10-06-2008 - 12:36pm
Sopall...I am really not sure why you aren't getting this.

 

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