Democrats vs. Obama

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Democrats vs. Obama
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Sun, 10-05-2008 - 7:41pm

 

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:04am

That is your opinion and the opinion that will guide your vote, which is as it should be.

We disagree, plain and simple. I have certainly considered Obama's youth and inexperience and it has been a frequent point of debate at our dinner table. But if the alternative is McCain's experience, I still prefer Obama.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:06am
To you both, it is plain statistics that a 72yo guy with several bouts of cancer under his belt has better odds of dying in the next 4 years than a healthy 47yo.
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Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:11am
which is a view I fully respect

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Registered: 07-15-2008
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:12am

imho the 'he could keel over any time' argument regarding McCain is as lame as "Obama is a muslim terrorist' ... both just desperate words when you have nothing else to say.


With the exception that Obama is not a Muslim, and McCain is 72 years old surviving an incurable cancer, although it is in remission, vying for arguably the most important position in the world which we have seen age much younger men than McCain literally before our eyes on a daily basis.

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Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:13am
not all cancer is the same as you well know .. since he goes and gets checked on a very regular basis the cancer isn't expected to be a problem

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Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:15am

as I said I fully respect the "it's his votes, it's his pov, etc" as a reason to not vote for McCain.

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Registered: 07-15-2008
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:26am

"The 'keel over' tomorrow argument IS as lame as many of the Obama bulk email crap."


Well, that's an interesting deflection, but what "Obama bulk email crap"?

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Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:37am

the stuff I already mentioned in the course of the

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Registered: 07-15-2008
Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:42am
Thanks for the explanation.
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Mon, 10-06-2008 - 10:59am

"With the exception that Obama is not a Muslim"


http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0408/pipes042908.php3


Obama asserted in December, "I've always been a Christian," and he has adamantly denied ever having been a Muslim. "The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country . But I've never practiced Islam." In February, he claimed: "I have never been a Muslim. � other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child I have very little connection to the Islamic religion."


"Always" and "never" leave little room for equivocation. But many biographical facts, culled mainly from the American press, suggest that, when growing up, the Democratic candidate for president both saw himself and was seen as a Muslim.


Obama's Kenyan birth father: In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (1936-1982) was a Muslim who named his boy Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Only Muslim children are named "Hussein".


Obama's Indonesian family: His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was also a Muslim. In fact, as Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of the New York Times: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." An Indonesian publication, the Banjarmasin Post reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that "All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims."


The Catholic school: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that "documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim" while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. Kim Barker of the Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was "listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school." A blogger who goes by "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" found that "Barack Hussein Obama was registered under the name 'Barry Soetoro' serial number 203 and entered the Franciscan Asisi Primary School on 1 January 1968 and sat in class 1B. � Barry's religion was listed as Islam."


The public school: Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta that he "was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended." Haroon Siddiqui of the Toronto Star visited the Jakarta public school Obama attended and found that "Three of his teachers have said he was enrolled as a Muslim." Although Siddiqui cautions that "With the school records missing, eaten by bugs, one has to rely on people's shifting memories," he cites only one retired teacher, Tine Hahiyari, retracting her earlier certainty about Obama's being registered as a Muslim.


Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies, thereby revealing he was a Muslim, for Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent."


Mosque attendance: Obama's half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events." Watson learned from childhood friends that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." Barker found that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong" (a garment associated with Muslims).


Piety: Obama himself says that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he "didn't practice ," implicitly acknowledging a Muslim identity. Indonesians differ in their memories of him. One, Rony Amir, describes Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."


Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.

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