When Big Fat Idiots Attack

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Registered: 09-25-2008
When Big Fat Idiots Attack
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Mon, 10-06-2008 - 8:09pm
El Rushbo:


Limbaugh monologue contains numerous Obama falsehoods


Summary: On his radio show, Rush Limbaugh made numerous false statements about Obama's health-care plan, his employment history, his legislative record, his work on behalf of veterans, and whether he puts his hand over his heart during the national anthem.









During a monologue in his October 2 broadcast, radio host Rush Limbaugh repeated
numerous falsehoods about Sen. Barack Obama, including false statements about
Obama's health-care
plan, his legislative record, and other issues:



  • Echoing a false attack on Obama's
    health-care plan by Sen.
    John McCain and others, Limbaugh stated, "Obama wants to change the
    American system for another system." He later added: "If
    somebody tells you, for example, they want the federal government to take
    over the health-care system lock, stock, and barrel, what do you call
    that?" In fact, Obama has not proposed having the federal government
    "take over the health-care system"; Obama's plan calls
    for individuals to choose their own insurance. As The New York Times reported in a
    May 3 article, the suggestion that Obama is "proposing a
    single-payer, or even nationalized health care system along the lines of
    those in countries like Canada
    and Britain
    ... is incorrect."



  • Limbaugh asserted that Obama
    "has never held a real job in this country," defining "real
    job" as "one that requires you to get up every morning, go to
    work, make a profit for yourself or for your employer." Limbaugh
    then added: "He has been paid by foundations and the taxpayer most
    of his life to promote a socialist agenda that'll destroy everything
    that you have worked for." In fact, Obama held positions as associate and
    of counsel at the law firm of Miner, Barnhill & Galland
    (known as Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland when Obama joined) from 1993 to 2002.



  • Limbaugh falsely stated that
    Obama "has authored a bill ... that would require you, the
    hardworking people of this country, to pony up $85 billion per year to
    give to other countries to fight global poverty through the United
    Nations," a false claim Limbaugh has made in the past. Limbaugh was
    referring to the Global Poverty Act of 2007,
    a bill sponsored by Obama. However, Limbaugh's assertion that it
    would require Americans to "pony up $85 billion per year" is
    false. As Media Matters for America
    has documented, the bill would
    establish no specific funding sources and would not commit the United States
    to any targeted level of spending.



  • Limbaugh stated: "I would ask those of you who
    have served in the military or are serving in the military, can you name
    anything -- anything Obama has done prior to running for president to show
    his support for you?" He added: "Did he speak to veterans
    groups? Did he do interviews with veteran- and military-related media? Did
    he visit military hospitals and shake hands with the wounded? No."
    In fact, in addition to serving on the Senate Committee on Veterans
    Affairs
    since 2005, as Media Matters has documented, Obama
    has also spoken to veterans groups and visited military bases overseas
    before the start of his presidential campaign. According to an article in
    the Chicago Sun-Times on
    January 22, 2005, Obama visited a group of 500 veterans at the American
    Legion Hall
    in Evergreen Park,
    Illinois. He also visited
    Iraq in January 2006 as part of a congressional delegation, during which
    time a January 8, 2006, Sun-Times
    article reported that "Obama played basketball with soldiers and
    dined with members of the military from Illinois."



  • Limbaugh falsely claimed that
    Obama "didn't start putting his hand over his heart during the
    national anthem until a few months ago." As Media Matters has documented, on October 23,
    2007, Inside Edition
    featured a segment on the
    national anthem "controversy." The segment included two
    photographs of Obama placing his hand over his heart during the national
    anthem, which Inside Edition
    said it received from an Obama spokesman.



  • Limbaugh falsely claimed that
    Obama has not voted to fund troops "on the battlefield,"
    stating: "Did vote to fund the troops? To send them the
    armor and the bullets and the reinforcement they needed while they were on
    the battlefield? No." He added: "He spoke out against it. All
    of it." In fact, as Media Matters
    has documented,
    Obama has
    repeatedly voted to
    provide funds for fighting in Iraq
    and Afghanistan.
    As Washington Post media
    critic Howard Kurtz wrote,
    "Obama has frequently voted to finance the war but was one of 14
    Senate Democrats to oppose a war-funding bill last year -- after
    Republicans removed troop withdrawal deadlines -- saying he did not want
    to be 'validating the same failed policy in Iraq.' "


iVillage Member
Registered: 10-25-2006
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 8:48am

Thanks for the link to Krugman's article on McCain's health care proposal. There are a couple of minor things he doesn't mention.

One, from McCain's website:

"STATE FLEXIBILITY: Encouraging States To Lower Costs. States should have the flexibility to experiment with alternative forms of access, coordinated payments per episode covered under Medicaid, use of private insurance in Medicaid, alternative insurance policies and different licensing schemes for providers."

Great...McCain will ENCOURAGE states to experiment with Medicaid. Big deal.

And a second, also from McCain's website:

"John McCain Will Encourage And Expand The Benefits Of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) For Families. When families are informed about medical choices, they are more capable of making their own decisions and often decide against unnecessary options. Health Savings Accounts take an important step in the direction of putting families in charge of what they pay for."

HSAs work for the young, healthy members of our society--think single, 20-35, no kids. They must be coupled with a HDHP--a high-deductible health plan. When the the young and healthy members leave the other risk pools, the costs for those remaining in the typical insurance pools goes up.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/health-savings-accounts/GA00053

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-28-2004
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 8:56am

It's just my opinion, but think about it, the prospects of Obama winning sure hasn't calmed the markets.


"Links to a reputable paper"?? Are there any left??

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 9:20am
Darn rootin' tootin' you bet, the John Birch Society newsletter that Sarah reads.
iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 9:24am
Facts??? LOL - Facts on this board requested from the right???
iVillage Member
Registered: 09-25-2008
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 9:33am

No....no, I have it on good authority elsewhere on this board from a conservatarian that, when they post up stuff like that (or like the stuff I was referring to when I discovered this interesting fact - that Obama "wanted 90% tax, and to have government choosing everyone's clothes car and home"), they don't NEED to post up anything which actually SUPPORTS these notions...because "it's my opinion." And here at iVillage, everyone is entitled to their opinion, even on debate boards, where the name of the game (theoretically, anyway) is to be able to back up one's opinions with evidence. Not for conservatarians, apparently; they can post up stuff like "Obama wants 90% tax rates" or "wants government to choose your house, clothes and car for you" or "the whole country is selling stock because they're afraid of a President Obama" without providing any evidence whatsoever that any of this is true.

You see, here at iVillage's debate boards, truthiness is just as good as actual truth or facts! Ain't equality grand?


iVillage Member
Registered: 01-18-2006
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 9:35am


Fingerpointing all the time.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 9:37am
Ah great - more people starting with the pictures - LOL..
iVillage Member
Registered: 07-05-2006
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 9:38am

C'mon, don't you know that stuff is common knowledge?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 01-18-2006
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 9:39am
Um...you might want to have a look at what I was responding to.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
Tue, 10-07-2008 - 9:42am
Yep I saw it - when are the Hitler pictures coming along with the Obama Waffles and