Tonight's Debate

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Registered: 10-07-2008
Tonight's Debate
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Tue, 10-07-2008 - 10:21pm

is anyone watching the debate? What do you think so far? Who is 'winning'? They don't seem to be answering many audience questions.

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Registered: 11-08-2003
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 12:39pm

No, I'm not kidding. The people I'm talking about, wouldn't be elligible for medicaid, not every uninsured person is.

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Registered: 05-05-2008
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 12:47pm
Great post!

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Registered: 01-12-2007
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 1:15pm
There are also other programs that provide parents free healthcare for their children.

   

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Registered: 10-08-2008
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 1:39pm
If you make too much to qualify for medicaid and can't afford private insurance then you need to find a job that provides you care, or you need to cut your expenses. My sister in law works for Starbucks to provide her family with insurance because my brother has a small business without insurance.


While I'm certainly glad to hear that your sister and her family found a way to get affordable health care, I'm compelled by your story and its implications to ask: is this how you want society to function? For people to be forced to choose between "cutting expenses" (which is not always "oh, just get rid of that jet-ski," but often "decrease what we save for the kids' college funds") and medical care for their families....or, alternatively, to fight to get a job they would otherwise not want in a profession they aren't interested in...just to get the care that comes with it? I understand that each of us does what we feel we must in whatever the situation we find ourselves happens to be....but when we sit back and think about how we WANT to structure our society (given a choice), is that sort of choice what we actually WANT to force people to make?

I can't speak for you, but my own answer, especially given the fact that there are most certainly better and more humane paths available for us to choose, is a resounding "NO!"
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Registered: 01-12-2007
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 2:13pm

**but often "decrease what we save for the kids' college funds"**


Paying for Jr's college should run a distance second to buying Jr health insurance.


**or, alternatively, to fight to get a job they would otherwise not want in a profession they aren't interested in...just to get the care that comes with it?**


That is part of being a grown up.

   

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Registered: 08-27-2008
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 2:53pm
I'm not a Dr nor do I work for drs. so I would never claim to know about how their billing or patient choice is decided.
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Registered: 10-08-2008
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 2:53pm
Paying for Jr's college should run a distance second to buying Jr health insurance.


Certainly it should. And it sounds as if, like me, you would prioritize things that way if it became necessary. I suspect most parents would. However, that's avoiding my question, which was: if there is a way (or possibly a way) to structure things so that more families aren't FORCED to even MAKE this choice, would you really choose to keep it so that they DO have to make it?

That is part of being a grown up. My sister in law has no desire to serve coffee to people. However she is doing what needs to be done to take care of her children and her family.


Did you not even read my portion of my post where I say essentially the exact same thing?:

I understand that each of us does what we feel we must in whatever the situation we find ourselves happens to be...


Making a choice such as the one your sister felt compelled to make is indeed part of being a "grown-up" or, I would say, a parent: providing for primary needs first. But - again - another part of being a parent is providing the BEST environment possible for your children (not to mention yourself). And that also means that if there's a way to structure things so that people aren't forced to make such choices, that's the path a "grown up" will - or should - choose, as surely as prioritizing health care today over savings for college tomorrow (if that's necessary).
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Registered: 01-12-2007
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 5:29pm

<<so that more families aren't FORCED to even MAKE this choice, would you really choose to keep it so that they DO have to make it?>>


No because they is making people become dependent on the govt.

   

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Registered: 10-08-2008
Fri, 10-10-2008 - 6:00pm
You're getting lost in trivialities. I chose "saving for college" more or less at random out of literally DOZENS of budget choices which could have been inserted in that hypothetical just as easily, and wouldn't have carried with it your ability to attempt to derail the conversation onto the need for our children to learn to stand on their own two feet.

So - since you're interested in avoiding the main question and diverting onto unrelated trivialities...and because I'm thinking of it, and because it's a good thing to remember - here's someone else making similar hard choices about second jobs, etc.
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Registered: 06-27-2008
Sun, 10-12-2008 - 9:23pm
Obama won because McCain avoids more questions than he answers.

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