Tonight's Debate

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Tonight's Debate
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Tue, 10-07-2008 - 10:21pm

is anyone watching the debate? What do you think so far? Who is 'winning'? They don't seem to be answering many audience questions.

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Registered: 08-26-2008
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 2:06pm

Slightly OT, but it has always bothered me so much. Why are healthcare services sooooo way overpriced?


Why does a relatively uncomplicated medical procedure cost thousands of $? Why is that hospital and doctor offices in this country so often pressure you to have (what many people experts and nonexperts would call) so many unnecessary exams and procedures? Is it greed, e.g. going after insurance company money, which as a result increase our premiums.


Like for example a close friend of mine had toenail fungus, and the doctor took culture, which is the standard procedure in order to

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Registered: 11-08-2003
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 2:09pm
LOL, I drifted off from time to time also. I really don't remember what what it was about. I just remember being surprised at McCain (or either of them) starting on the attack,

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Registered: 03-19-2003
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 2:26pm

I think most likely we're both biased and our ears perked up and we each heard what we claim we heard ... b/c it's how we were listening.


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Registered: 10-07-2008
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 2:33pm

Most unions endorse democrats.

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Registered: 10-07-2008
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 4:44pm

I find it interesting that these two points were both in your post:

"I haven't seen an Obama ad with any substance at all." and "With regard to the McCain ads I've seen, well, not too much substance there either, but how detailed can you get in 30 seconds."

It seems to be a bit of a double standard. Especially when you include this quote: "McCain's, on the other hand, bring up reasonable challenges to Obama's experience and judgment..."Tell me who your friends are, and I'll know who you are."

McCain also has some questionable friends. I am not really bothered by the Ayers thing - nor are any of my associates, people evolve with the passage of time, the 60's were a turbulent time as I recall. I personally would not want to be judged today based on decisions I made in my 20's. I would like to think that in the intervening decades I have matured. The fact that Ayers is teaching at a university and has been for a number of years makes me believe he has grown and matured as well. Today I was sent a youtube video clip of Sarah Palin addressing the Alaskan Independence Party. Given what they stand for, and who that organization was started by, I wonder if you have concerns about her 'associations' as well.

I would like the debate surrounding the candidates to focus on real issues, not smears. Most of the info on both McCain, and Obama has already made the rounds, we know it - move on. Palin on the other hand is still new, and I'm not really sure I want to get to know her better. Her addition to the campaign has been a real turn off for me. Sure she is cute, and if I had seen her in a bar a few decades ago maybe I would be interested, but now, not so much. The more she talks the less attractive she it to me.

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Registered: 08-27-2008
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 4:56pm
Oddly enough my daughter works in a Pediatricians office in a very affluent suburb.
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Registered: 10-07-2008
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 5:21pm
I don't assume to know why people vote for who the vote for.
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Registered: 09-26-2008
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 5:35pm

>>> "I haven't seen an Obama ad with any substance at all." and "With regard to the McCain ads I've seen, well, not too much substance there either, but how detailed can you get in 30 seconds."

>>> It seems to be a bit of a double standard.

I know, I'm sorry, I should have elaborated. I've never heard Obama fully explain his plans for spend, spend, spend...or even honestly say that there simply isn't enough money to spend, spend, spend. In short, Obama lies. On the other hand, I have seen McCain explain his plans and they seem to be more practical than Obama's. The "substance" I was referring to with regard to Obama, was the actual "substance" in his plans...while the "substance" I was referring to with regard to McCain was the content of his commercials...which are really too short for adequate explanations.

>>> Especially when you include this quote: "McCain's, on the other hand, bring up reasonable challenges to Obama's experience and judgment..."Tell me who your friends are, and I'll know who you are."

I don't think this is a double standard. Obama is attacking McCain on an issue (the Keating 5) knowing that McCain was exonerated of all wrongdoing, but hoping that the taint is enough to cause trouble...that says a lot about Obama. McCain, on the other hand, is raising significant issues dealing with Obama's character and judgment...both very important considerations when choosing a President.

>>> McCain also has some questionable friends.

Who would those be?

>>> I am not really bothered by the Ayers thing - nor are any of my associates, people evolve with the passage of time, the 60's were a turbulent time as I recall.

A lot of your friends take to blowing up buildings? I don't know any who did...and I wouldn't hang around those kind of radicals today if they still espoused that kind of anti-American radicalism...Ayres does...Obama knew...Obama allied himself with Ayres anyway. The same was true of his relationship with rev. Wright.

>>> I personally would not want to be judged today based on decisions I made in my 20's. I would like to think that in the intervening decades I have matured. The fact that Ayers is teaching at a university and has been for a number of years makes me believe he has grown and matured as well. Today I was sent a youtube video clip of Sarah Palin addressing the Alaskan Independence Party. Given what they stand for, and who that organization was started by, I wonder if you have concerns about her 'associations' as well.

Do you actually know what they stand for? Have you read their website or are you making decisions based on liberal propaganda? Have you seen the picture of an ADULT Bill Ayres standing on the American flag? It was taken while he was working with Obama...when he said that he "didn't do enough" when describing the bombings of the Pentagon and the Capitol. So much for "youthful indiscretion"...if you can honestly call terrorism "youthful indiscretion."

>>> I would like the debate surrounding the candidates to focus on real issues, not smears.

A candidates character and judgment ARE real issues.

>>> Most of the info on both McCain, and Obama has already made the rounds, we know it - move on.

A lot of people don't know it...they deserve to.

>>> Palin on the other hand is still new, and I'm not really sure I want to get to know her better.

That sounds like an unbiased point of view..."don't tell me the truth about Obama and don't tell me anything about the other candidates."

>>> Her addition to the campaign has been a real turn off for me. Sure she is cute, and if I had seen her in a bar a few decades ago maybe I would be interested, but now, not so much.

Your reasoning is very clear..."I've bought the propaganda...I've made up my mind...don't mess with it." Sad.

>>> The more she talks the less attractive she it to me.

As opposed to "uh...um...er...uh...um...er..."

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Registered: 08-31-2003
Wed, 10-08-2008 - 5:46pm
Under Obama's tax plan, "95 percent of you will get a tax cut."

Barack Obama on Friday, September 26th, 2008 in Oxford, Miss.


Many will get tax cuts, but not that many

Half-True



At the presidential debate in Oxford, Miss., Barack Obama described his tax plan and said, "Here's what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut."


We checked a similar claim of Obama's recently, that 95 percent of working families would get lower taxes under Obama's plan, and found it to be True.


But Obama stretched things when he said that 95 percent of "you" — everyone — would receive a tax cut.


The part of Obama's tax plan that results in widespread tax cuts is a tax credit for workers, intended to offset payroll taxes. Single workers would get $500, and working couples would get $1,000.


But not all taxpayers get paychecks from an employer, and those

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Wed, 10-08-2008 - 5:47pm
Great assessment!!
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