Not Tortured

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Not Tortured
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Tue, 10-14-2008 - 12:21am

Maybe he was merely waterboarded (not considered torture now days) or maybe he was just creatively questioned, but his guard says he was not tortured (note: did the guard read the Gonzales and Yoo memos?).


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections2008-johnmccain


McCain was not tortured, PoW guard claims


  • John Hooper in Rome
  • The Guardian,
  • Tuesday October 14 2008

    The Republican US presidential candidate John McCain was not tortured during his captivity in North Vietnam, the chief prison guard of the jail in which he was held has claimed.


    In an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Nguyen Tien Tran acknowledged that conditions in the prison were "tough, though not inhuman". But, he added: "We never tortured McCain. On the contrary, we saved his life, curing him with extremely valuable medicines that at times were not available to our own wounded."


    McCain, who fell into enemy hands after his plane was shot down in 1967, has frequently referred to being tortured and has cited his experiences as a reason for vigorously opposing the endorsement by the Bush administration of the use of techniques such as "water-boarding" on terrorist suspects.


    Shortly after his release in 1973 McCain told US News & World Report that his prison guards had beaten him "from pillar to post". After being worked over at intervals for four days, he said, he had become suicidal and agreed to sign a "confession" admitting to war crimes.


    In his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, he described how after his capture he was subjected to inhuman treatment in an effort to force him to disclose his ship's name, squadron number and the target of his final mission. He was threatened with the withdrawal of medical assistance and, while still suffering from his crash injuries, his guards "knocked me around a little".


    For his service in Vietnam and his actions as a POW, McCain was awarded the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Bronze Star, the Navy Commendation Medal and the Purple Heart.


    Tran, now 75, said McCain reached Hanoi with the worst injuries he had seen in a downed pilot. But he denied torturing him, saying it was his mission to ensure that McCain survived. As the son of the US naval commander in Vietnam, he offered a potential valuable propaganda weapon.


    However, recommending McCain for a medal after the war, his former cellmate, the much-decorated Colonel George Day, said the admiral's son had forced his interrogators to "drug him and torture him to get any cooperation", according to a letter in the US National Archives cited earlier this year by the Washington Post. Day said McCain suffered "torturous abuse".


    Tran told Corriere that McCain was sent to hospital the day after he was brought to Hanoi and stayed there for a month. "I never lost him from sight. I was frightened a doctor or nurse might do him harm."


    Tran dismissed as "absolutely impossible" perhaps the most famous story from McCain's autobiography: that one Christmas, a guard traced a cross in the mud in front of him. "My men were all communists and atheists," he said.


    As to why McCain, then 36, left North Vietnam with prematurely grey hair, Tran denied it was because of mistreatment. "It's that in prison you think too much.">>>


  • Sopal

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    Registered: 03-19-2003
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 7:50pm
    I think she was meaning in relation to this guard

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    iVillage Member
    Registered: 03-25-2007
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 7:55pm
    I'm taking it with the same grain of salt as Obama consorting with terrorists, or Obama involved in Resko/bad land deals crap.

    Sopal

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    Registered: 03-25-2007
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 7:57pm
    Oh...my bad...I was thinking that she was equating McCain with those other people.

    Sopal

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    Registered: 10-14-2008
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 8:06pm
    LOL! I guess he's just faking the whole "arms" thing. Wow...really, really pathetic of the left to attack a war hero.
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    Registered: 03-19-2003
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 8:09pm

    he and other prisioners there with them have stated he was tortured and I'd hardly say this is all he has going for him (although I get you're not a supporter) especially in light of the fact that he hasn't attempted to use it.

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    Registered: 10-14-2008
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 8:09pm
    Consider the source...and the character of the people perpetuating the lie.
    iVillage Member
    Registered: 10-14-2008
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 8:16pm

    You mean like John Kerry?

    Yeah, that's low. Only I think you've got your facts a little mis-remembered here: it was the RIGHT that slandered and degraded Kerry's war record with its "purple heart band-aids."

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    Registered: 08-15-2008
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 8:21pm

    I've done a ton of research into the Vietnam POW situation.

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    Registered: 04-04-2003
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 8:24pm

    <<.....it was the RIGHT that slandered and degraded Kerry's war record with its "purple heart band-aids.">>


    That was sleezy too. I remember the bandaids people were sporting

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    Registered: 09-17-2007
    In reply to: sopall1953
    Tue, 10-14-2008 - 8:30pm

    >>>>nd maybe this guard doesn't consider 'stress positions' and beatings torture, but I'm pretty sure most Americans would consider then as such.

    I'm really not so certain that's true considering the current administration's stance on waterboarding and torture in general. I've seen it defended quite vigorously here on this board and elsewhere.

    Today's mantra seems to be, "It's only torture if the other guy is doing it to us."

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