Obama & ACORN

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Obama and Acorn
Community organizers, phony voters, and your tax dollars.


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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-25-2008
In reply to: galanie
Tue, 10-14-2008 - 6:13pm

one difference cruise...


the purging of the voter rolls is removing people who don't have a right to vote in the first place.

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Registered: 09-09-2008
In reply to: galanie
Tue, 10-14-2008 - 9:51pm

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That's really nothing to brag about. If what you say is true it's a major problem with the democratic party. The democrats should also be very upset about fraud, felony, and contamination of the voting process.

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Registered: 10-08-2008
In reply to: galanie
Tue, 10-14-2008 - 10:15pm

The democrats should also be very upset about fraud, felony, and contamination of the voting process.


Of course we are.

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Registered: 04-17-2003
In reply to: galanie
Tue, 10-14-2008 - 10:55pm

Sigh.

Obama did work with ACORN on behalf of the Justice Dept to help get the motor voter laws passed.

This is more of a cheap arse partisan tactic to blame the loss on anyone but their party, policies and CANDIDATE, who is about the worst in recent history.

I'm sure it's a mere coincidence that McCain ran the crappiest campaign and still lost.

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Reward Republicans for 8 years of failure? No way, No how, No McCain!

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-09-2008
In reply to: galanie
Tue, 10-14-2008 - 11:22pm

I do think that Obama has a responsibility to come out against ACORN's activities. The reason I feel that way is because Obama paid $800,000 to get out the vote. I know the claim is he paid the money to a different organization. That organization was affiliated with ACORN and gave a portion of the money to ACORN so that argument is very weak. He knew full well as did everyone that ACORN has committed these same frauds for years. This is nothing new. I also think ACORN doesn't just need to be investigated but because of a long history of ignoring the laws they should be shut down. The people at the top of ACORN need some prison time for perpetrating this fraud time and time again. If this happened in a large corporation you can bet the executives who oversaw this activity would be sent to prison. One more thing, they should immediately (as in yesterday) completely be cut off from all federal money. The funding of ACORN needs to stop.

McCain has already tried (in mid September) to get Obama to work with him against this fraud, so his stance is clear. McCain doesn't have the same responsibility to stop the fraud as Obama because McCain didn't hire ACORN (or it's affiliate) to get out the vote.

I do think this attitude <> is shameful.

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Registered: 08-20-2008
In reply to: galanie
Tue, 10-14-2008 - 11:26pm

More guilt by association. Only there's not even any association here.

1. No one, including anyone on this board, has ever connected the registration fraud at ACORN to a single fraudulent vote. The ACORN folks unfortunately got paid by the registration. That was what created the bad behavior.

2. Even assuming for the sake of argument that ACORN's false voter registrations could cause some fraudulent votes, which again is not the case, the effect would be cancelled out twenty times over by the fraud we are seeing from Republicans in blocking millions of voters. More reality: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/9/greg_palast_on_vote_rigging_and Yes this link shows bad behavior on each side, with about 99% of the bad behavior on the Republican side.

3. As I just said, you haven't even linked Obama to ACORN. They are not affiliated. If you want to look at the bad stuff on the Republican side who are not affiliated to McCain, they are far more numerous.

Bottom line, we should be talking about Republican voter fraud, not Democratic voter fraud. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/9/greg_palast_on_vote_rigging_and

It's so much easier for Republicans to ignore reality than deal with the facts that Bush and McCain deregulated our economy into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, dragged us into an endless war which we had no business starting in the first place, and let Obama run free for over 7 years after he perpetrated the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor.

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Registered: 03-25-2007
In reply to: galanie
Tue, 10-14-2008 - 11:49pm


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/oct/13/election-acorn-voter-fraud


The Republican voter fraud hoax
Donald Duck and the Dallas Cowboys won't steal the election for Obama. Acorn's only crime is registering Democratic voters

Brad Friedman


guardian.co.uk,


Monday October 13 2008 20.30 BST



Barack Obama and the Democrats are stealing the election. Massive voter fraud is being carried out, even as we speak, by their henchmen, known by the innocuous sounding Association for Community Organisations for Reform Now, or Acorn. Clever bastards.

The only problem? Despite the screaming wall-to-wall coverage of "Democratic voter fraud in 11 swing states" as seen on Fox News and even the once-respectable CNN, none of it's true. None of it.


In just the last week, we've had a phoney stunt raid in swing state Nevada (where Acorn had been cooperating with officials for months, concerning problem canvassers they'd long ago fired); a Republican election official in swing state Missouri tell Fox News that she's being beseiged with fraudulent registration forms from Acorn (in a county where they've not done any registration work since August); a Republican sheriff in swing state Ohio, who, the very next day, suddenly requested the names and addresses of hundreds of early voters (with evidence of exactly zero wrong doing, but lots of Democratic-leaning college student in the particular county, and John McCain's state campaign chair as a partner in the investigation); and a screaming front page headline in Rupert Murdoch's New York Post about a guy who claims he was somehow tricked by Acorn into registering 72 times (but read the article closely to note he says he registered at the same address each time, which, even if true, would allow him - you guessed it - precisely one legal vote.)


It's an old Republican scam, but it's never been carried out with more zeal than this year. The Republicans have been putting so much time, money and resources into the propaganda leading up to this over the last four years, we should have expected no less.

As luck would have it, the Democrats have a man who, as an attorney years ago, actually had the temerity to join the US department of justice in representing Acorn in a successful lawsuit, forcing the state of Illinois to follow the law by allowing citizens to register to vote at the department of motor vehicles. What a scoundrel.

That, of course, was before the department of justice, under George Bush's corrupt command, would itself become politicised by the very Republicans so desperate to keep low-income voters from voting, that they were willing to fire their own US attorneys for failing to bring phoney charges of voter fraud in key swing states like Nevada and Missouri.

So what are the crimes that have caused all the Sturm und Drang on US television and talk radio, and in several otherwise respectable newspapers and even by the McCain campaign itself?

The only actual crime here is that Acorn managed to register some 1.3m low-income (read: Democratic-leaning) voters over the past two years. The rest is, pretty much, just made up.

But in the bloody and desperate trenches of the Republican war on democracy, that's more than enough to kick in a last minute surge of lies that may - with the help of a compliant and lazy corporate US media - wreak enough havoc, scare enough voters, confuse enough people and plant enough seeds to call an Obama victory into doubt on November 4.

If you can't win it, steal it. If you can't steal it, claim the other guy stole it. If you can't claim the other guy stole it (yet), say they're about to and then kick up smoke that maybe someone will believe you. (Heckuva job, CNN.)

Here are the facts. Acorn verifies the legitimacy of every registration its canvassers collect. If they can't authenticate the registration, or it's incomplete or questionable in other ways, they flag that form as problematic ("fraudulent", "incomplete", et cetera). They then hand in all registration forms, even the problematic ones, to elections officials, as they are required to do by law. In almost every case where you've heard about fraud by Acorn, it's because Acorn itself notified officials about the fraud that's been perpetrated on them by rogue canvassers. Most officials who run to the media screaming "Acorn is committing fraud" know all of the above but don't bother to share those facts with the media they've run to. None of this is about voter fraud. None of it. Where any fraud has occurred, it's voter registration fraud and has resulted in exactly zero fraudulent votes.

You'll hear that Donald Duck, Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy, Mickey Mouse and (new this year) the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team have all had fraudulent registrations submitted in their names. That's true. And we know this, why? Because Acorn told officials about it when they followed the law and turned in those registrations, flagged as fraudulent.

What you won't hear is that federal law requires anybody who does not register to vote in person at the county office to show an ID when they go to vote the first time. So, unless Donald Duck shows up with his ID, he won't be voting this November. You needn't worry, no matter how much even John McCain himself cynically and dishonourably tries to mislead you.

If it quacks like a duck, in this case, it's likely another Republican Acorn voter fraud lie. They haul it out every two years.


Just days before the 2004 presidential election, rightwing whack job Michelle Malkin claimed that Acorn was registering terrorists to vote in swing state Ohio. Problem was, that was a lie.

In 2006, again just days before the election, the new US attorney in swing state Missouri (recently appointed, since the one before him refused to bring such charges), filed voter fraud indictments against Acorn workers in the state. Problem was, bringing election-related indictments that close to an election was a violation of the department of justice's own written policy. And Acorn had nothing to do with it, other than turning in the employees to officials.

Getting the picture? It's a hoax. All of it.

But it's been an effective one, as it's served to distract from very real concerns about tens of thousands of voters who have been illegally purged from the voting rolls in dozens of states, as the New York Times reported in a remarkable front page investigative story. That story followed a report the week before from CBS News detailing still more wholesale purges of voting rolls in some 20 states.

That will be the November surprise, when thousands, if not millions show up to vote only to find they are no longer welcome to do so and are forced to vote on a "provisional ballot" which may or may not be counted.

These real concerns of election fraud, such as voting roll purges, electronic voting machines that don't work and so much more that actually matters, have been obscured by the smoke and mirrors and sleight of hand of the Republican party's phoney Acorn voter fraud charade.

And where they can, they'll parlay it all into new photo ID restrictions at the polls (knowing full well that some 20m, largely Democratic-leaning voters don't own the type of ID they'd need to jump over that next Republican hurdle.)

Yet, with all of the unsubstantiated, wholly bogus claims of voter fraud being carried out by Democrats, there remains at least one case of absolutely ironclad, documented, yet still-unprosecuted case of voter fraud that, for some reason, Republicans don't much like to talk about.


We can only wonder why.>>>

Sopal


Sopal

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Registered: 09-08-2008
In reply to: galanie
Tue, 10-14-2008 - 11:56pm

((((That's how I feel about conservatives who are not

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