Obama's 95% Illusion

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Obama's 95% Illusion
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Tue, 10-14-2008 - 5:59pm

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Registered: 10-14-2008
Wed, 10-15-2008 - 1:04pm
I think I recognize this line of thinking.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Registered: 10-08-2008
Wed, 10-15-2008 - 1:20pm

And McCain's plan will cost more than Obama's.

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Registered: 10-14-2008
Wed, 10-15-2008 - 1:25pm

>>> Clinton was a fool to sign NAFTA. I will always resent he did that, then Bush did the same with CAFTA.

I thought libs were all for a one-world market and considered themselves "citizens of the world?" But it seems like your candidate, Barry, is pro-NAFTA too (after he publicly lied about it, of course)...

In an interview with Fortune to be featured in the magazine's upcoming issue, the presumptive Democratic nominee backed off his harshest attacks on the free trade agreement and indicated he didn't want to unilaterally reopen negotiations on NAFTA.

On Feb. 8, Goolsbee met with the Canadian consul general in Chicago and offered assurances that Obama's rhetoric was "more reflective of political maneuvering than policy," according to a Canadian memo summarizing the meeting that was obtained by Fortune. "In fact," the Canadian memo said, Goolsbee "mentioned that going forward the Obama camp was going to be careful to send the appropriate message without coming off as too protectionist."
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortune/easton_obama.fortune/

>>> Businesses need to be rewarded for keeping jobs HERE at home, and taxed to the HILT if they send jobs overseas.

But Barry intends to "tax them to the hilt" if they stay here...what's a business to do?

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Registered: 07-03-2008
Wed, 10-15-2008 - 1:28pm
Can you find me a link that says Obama wants to tax small businesses to the hilt?
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Registered: 10-14-2008
Wed, 10-15-2008 - 1:53pm
Exactly right. I didn't mean to imply that employees were simple numbers in the book...our's certainly weren't, and we did everything we could to see that benefits were maintained and that salaries grew...but for a lot of businesses (who honestly care about their employees), have to make the kind of tough choices you mentioned...or go under.
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Registered: 10-14-2008
Wed, 10-15-2008 - 2:26pm

>>> And McCain's plan will cost more than Obama's.

Obama's plan will COST $100 billion at the outset. McCain's will not "cost" anything because it doesn't require the government to SPEND money.

>>> McCain's tax plan is almost exactly like Bush's, which did not work at all as can be plainly seen.

If McCain's plan were "almost exactly like Bush's" then McCain would have no plan because it would already be in place and he'd just say "my plan is to do exactly what we're doing right now"...but that's not the case, now is it?

>>> If you read any non-partisan economic reports, they clearly state that.

No, they don't.

>>> Although why they would have to remind anyone about the republican spending binge that has given us the highest spending, biggest deficit known to man during the "reign" of the republicans is a mystery to me - unless, of course, the people who voted for Bush and plan to vote for McCain, just an older version of Bush, don't know the difference.

Hmmm...I hear libs wail endlessly about the "republican spending binge" or other such nonsense...can you tell me what this "spending binge" was "spent" on? And then please fill us in on how Obama's proposed TRILLION in new spending is going to help bring the deficit down?

>>> And McCain, as the transcript of the report read, wants to do all the three big things it is thought is needed ALL AT ONCE. Where is he going to get the money? From a spending freeze? Is he going to end the war in Iraq? That will free up lots and lots of money.

As I mentioned earlier, McCain's healthcare proposal won't "cost" the government an enormous outlay of cash like Obama's plan will. And his freeze, will likely affect spending on new programs as well. I believe that he was somewhat specific on the "program areas" that would not be affected by his freeze.

But since you brought it up, and since you're voting for him...where do you think Obama is going to get the money to pay for all of his pipe-dreams? Do you honestly believe that they can all be paid for by upping the taxes on the top 5%?

And while Barry has said that he's going to lead us to defeat in Iraq, he has also said that he would redirect war efforts from Iraq to Afghanistan. What makes you think it's cheaper to fight a war in Afghanistan than it is in Iraq?

And even if all of the wars were completely over (big laugh there...google "enduring bases") Obama makes it seem as though he'll just take that money and use it on healthcare or free college or free daycare or some other free thing he'll dole out to the great unwashed. No...I'm afraid not. First of all, even if Barry were to neuter the military like previous Dems did by slashing defense budgets, it still costs billions to maintain, even if they just spend their time sitting around washing their tanks. And the "cost" of conducting a war is a special appropriation...they didn't just borrow the money from the "education fund." That money just doesn't get tossed back into the kitty to be used elsewhere. And speaking of borrowing...a lot of the money to conduct the war was borrowed. When the wars stop that money...plus interest...has to be paid back...and that'll be going on a lot longer than Barry will be in office if, God forbid, he were ever elected. In other words, this "war savings" Barry is counting on...or lying about...is all in his head.

>>> Just thinking along party lines is a privilege one has. I do not ascribe to that principle in this present economic situation because I do not think it is wise.

Glad to hear it. Take an open-eyed look at Obama the man, and the policies he's proposing. Look at the character...lies, deceit, flip-flops...then do the math... Glad to have another McCain supporter on board!

>>> Plus the very fact that McCain's campaign say they "don't want to talk about the economy" tells me far more than any republican propaganda what kind of plans??? McCain has.

For people who don't want to talk about the economy, they sure seem to be spending a LOT of time talking about the economy. Sheesh...you say you don't subscribe to "just thinking along party lines," so open your eye...please.

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Registered: 10-14-2008
Wed, 10-15-2008 - 2:27pm
Sure...google "Obama tax credit" +"top 5%"
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Registered: 09-04-2008
Wed, 10-15-2008 - 2:30pm

I had two Au Pairs from Germany....VERY different personalities.


The first AuPair

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