Obama MOCKING Joe the Plumber

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Obama MOCKING Joe the Plumber
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Fri, 10-17-2008 - 5:11pm

More bad judgment, and bad character.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHqxosjyLY

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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 11:56am

Well, I provided the link at your request, and now you commented on it without listening the the entire thing, so how do you KNOW that Obama missed an opportunity to say anything ?

He didn't say the EXACT words "this is WHO I am fighting for guys" ... this hardworking middle class man"

But he DID say, "I have a different set of priorities, I'll give a middle class tax cut to 95% of all workers". But if you had listned to the link I provided in it's entirely, he did say that, he just didn't use your EXACT words.

If by THIS hardworking middle class man, you mean Joe the plumber, right now, under Obama's proposed plan, he WILL be helped. Remember, Joe's $250,000 business is a hypothetical situation, right NOW Joe is part of the 95% that Obama will give a tax cut too.

I don't consider $250,000 a year to be middle class. My hubby & I make FAR less than HALF of that, and we are hardworking too.




Edited 10/19/2008 11:57 am ET by idramamama
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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:11pm

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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:15pm

I have already posted the link that puts that HALF sentence into context, and Obama was NOT mocking the plubmer. He was "pooh-poohing" the notion that John McCain is fighting for the plumber.

You have commented on the post, where I posted this information, and admitted that you did not listen to the video. However, I assume you read the paragraph I posted from which the HALF sentence was posted.

So why do you still insist on mis-stating his words to be mocking the plumber.

I agree with you on the Palin/Gibson interview. Gibson only aired a PART of Palin's statements and he DID take them out of context. And that was wrong. So why is it OK to take Obama's statements out of context ????

You asked me to provide the context, which I did, and yet you continue to discuss this as if that HALF sentence of Obama's is ALL he said, and that it was said in the spirit of mockery, which it was not.

edited to add: Oops my bad, looks like somehow I got backtracked to the a place in the thread PRIOR to me posting my link. So sorry.




Edited 10/19/2008 12:19 pm ET by idramamama
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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:17pm

I watched the ENTIRE video of the exchange between Obama and the plumber.

I did not see Obama "tripping up". I saw an average citizen asking a question, and recieving a thoughtful answer. I actually watched the WHOLE thing tho' and am not relying
on a soundbite. That could be why I see it differently.

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Registered: 10-14-2008
Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:22pm
Certainly. That video is literally cut in during the middle of a sentence of Obama's. If you watch the entire interaction, it's clear (and was intentionally left out of the anti-Obama clip that you posted from some right-wing site) that the people Obama was speaking against were not the "Joe" types, but the fatcats whom McCain's tax plan helps most. Obama talks about giving so much money back to the richest individuals and corporations - like he's done many times on both the stump and in the debates, and THEN says "...and he's trying to suggest a PLUMBER is the guy he's fighting for?"

In context, with the rest of the sentence that comes BEFORE that fragment with which your video led off, it's quite clear that the person he's making fun of is not Joe the Plumber, but John McCain and the corporate fat cats who (according to Obama) his tax policies most benefit. Now, you can agree or disagree with Obama's take on McCain's tax plan....what you CAN'T do is claim that's not what Obama really thinks: he's said it repeatedly. So therefore, what Obama was saying at that campaign stop - which is perfectly clear in the video of the entire thing - is that it is ridiculous of MCCAIN to be structuring his tax policies to benefit the already-very-wealthy (individuals and corporations), and then try to get everyone to believe that A PLUMBER is the guy he's fighting for.

You either watched that campaign appearance of Obama's - and are therefore very aware of what Obama ACTUALLY said, and who he was ACTUALLY mocking: John McCain - which would mean that you're consciously trying to "gin up the fauxtrage," as I said in my earlier post, or you've simply become an unwitting tool of some right-winger somewhere on the Internet who sliced that video VERY carefully to be able to (incorrectly) claim that Obama was somehow mocking this plumber, instead of John McCain. Either way, though, you are responsible for helping gin up the fauxtrage that winds up in the kind of angry hostility we saw in that ugly video of the crowd outside a Palin rally in Johnstown, PA this week.

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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:26pm

Actually, this is what you said

"I didn't listen to the entire thing ... just the quoted part but I think Obama missed a good opportunity to say "this is WHO I am fighting for guys" ... this hardworking middle class man. "

You did NOT say "I said I have no idea if he did or not ... I simply said if he didn't he certainly could have used 'average plumber (not Joe)' to show his point."

I have copied and pasted your quotes from both posts.

Hence my comment, that if you didn't listen to the entire thing, you have no idea of what opportunities Obama missed to say anything.

Anyway, it seems that you would have preferred that Obama specifically fights for the "average plumber" over giving middle class tax cuts to 95% of all workers. It seems to me that alot of "average plumbers" would be in that 95%, as well as lots of "average teachers" "average nurses" "average office workers" "average carpenters" etc.

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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:27pm

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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:28pm
Yes the handful here really represent the entire country.

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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:28pm
It was stupid, and I totally disagree with it.

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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 12:32pm

Yes, but we are now more "socialist" than Canada is....especially when you take into account other aspects of our government that are "socialist" such as Social Security, Medicare, education....


 

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