Joe upset but McCain won't let go

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Registered: 10-12-2008
Joe upset but McCain won't let go
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Sun, 10-19-2008 - 3:02pm

Today in USA Today:
(((NEW YORK (AP) — "Joe the Plumber" is lashing out at the media for analyzing his personal life since he suddenly became a focal point of the presidential race last week.

Joe Wurzelbacher, a plumber from Holland, Ohio, told Mike Huckabee on his Fox News talk show Saturday that he is upset by the attention and has been unable to work with reporters crowded on his front lawn.

"The media's worried about whether I've paid my taxes, they're worried about any number of silly things that have nothing to do with America," Wurzelbacher told the former Republican presidential hopeful on his show, Huckabee.)))

But McCain won't stop bringing his name up in his rally's - so how is that helping Joe? Or is he just using him for political gain? So who is using Joe - Obama or McCain?

In the Raliegh News and Observer:

(((In Concord, McCain delivered a 30-minute speech interrupted by chants of "U-S-A, U-S-A!" and a roar at every mention of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. He pledged to rein in spending, explore new energy sources and help troubled homeowners by buying up bad mortgages.

He invoked Joe the Plumber nearly a dozen times.

Wurzelbacher, an aspiring small-business owner, had asked Obama on a campaign stop this month whether his tax plan would hurt him. Obama gave a detailed explanation of his proposal and said by giving tax breaks to more people, it would help small business.

"Right now, everybody's so pinched ... ," Obama told him. "And I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

McCain has pounced. His campaign passed out posters that read, "I'm Joe the Plumber" and "Let Joe keep his dough."

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Registered: 10-14-2008
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 12:56pm
Agree wholeheartedly, but would make one minor correction, if I had said it:

What you ask is currently impossible to give: Faith in Republicans.


Because (call me a sucker, if you must) it is possible - I even hope for the day - that we will have a Republican party in this country once again which would merit such faith, and in which not just Republicans, but Democrats and independents could place confidence in that party's good faith. It's just that we haven't seen such a thing for quite a while now.

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Registered: 10-08-2008
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 1:19pm

I'm starting to think that your "concern" for Joe the Plumber stems less from your deep caring for a man you do not know, than your transparent desire to slam and pin blame on Liberals (and ONLY Liberals).


The crux of the issue, right here...

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 1:37pm

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It is to me.

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No progress can ever be made without first finding some common ground.

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I ask myself that a lot. LOL
However, even though I'm carrying on a conversation with one, or a small handful of posters and getting nowhere, I'm aware that if some people hold certain views, many others must too. These others may not necessarily be posting, they may just be lurking. They may not be as adamant in their way of seeing things. In any event, I'm getting something out of it too....the very least of which is practice at writing and with any luck, respectfully arguing certain points, while keeping my patience.

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I've learned (not just by coming to this board) but from life in general, that you catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. As for water....Don't underestimate the power of it. Keeping at it over long periods of time can have effects (Cutting canyons through rock?...Chinese water torture?)

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That's your prerogative. No one is forcing you to read through long threads. Personally, I can't keep track of every thread or every argument on this board so I choose to devote my attention to only a few at a time.

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If you choose to look at it as though I have "issues" I can't stop you. My main motivation in coming to this board has been to try and persuade (and learn) not to attack (though admit that frustration can get the better of me at times). I don't think most issues are EVER black and white....if I can get anyone (and not necessarily the person I happen to be talking to directly here) to add a little gray to their perspective, even if their gray isn't the exact shade as mine, then I consider that progress.

I'm not the type of person to go at things guns a blazing. I find it counter-productive. I've also learned that sometimes, even if a person can't PUBLICLY admit that they are wrong, sometimes a thread of doubt can enter into their way of looking at things. This particular argument may be a lost cause (as some folks can't ever admit that they may be wrong or mistaken)....However the NEXT argument may be different as a result. I've seen that happen here as a result of exchanges I've had with people in the past.

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I happen to agree with you, though I wouldn't give McCain 100%....Perhaps 90%. He should have had the foresight (with his many years in the public eye and with the media) to see what would happen....he should have asked JTP his permission. He should have done his homework on JTP if he was going t exploit him to the degree that he has. However, he is not responsible for some of the nastier things that have been said by bloggers and some of the more extreme elements (and there HAVE been nasty things said). He is not responsible for JTP choosing to grant so many interviews.

However, I DO agree that now that McCain knows what's going on with the media in relation to JTP....He should CEASE and DESIST from mentioning him from now on. He isn't and I think that's an incredible weakness on his part (and a sign of disrespect to JTP).

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Registered: 05-05-2008
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 1:50pm
Excellent post.

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Registered: 09-08-2008
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 2:13pm

((((The liberal MSM is to blame. ))))

lol. NO. John McCain is to blame - solely - to blame, because he brought up Sam's middle name at the debate in front of 50 million people and he continues to invoke Sam's middle name at rallies and he gave out Sam's e-mail address at rallies. Not very smart. He is using Rovian tactics to shift the true blame off of his shoulders onto his opponent. Very weak, very desperate, and very transparent. McCain is very sad.

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Registered: 09-08-2008
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 2:47pm

((((No, you are right that Obama shouldn't have said "How many plumbers do you know who make 250,000 a year?" )))))

Since when do you believe in censorship? It's a valid question. How many plumbers will be affected by Obama's tax plan? That's what McCain's point was, right? Obama didn't say anything like...small towns are pro-American or "real" Virginians vote McCain, did he? No.

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Registered: 10-07-2008
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 2:52pm

$$$ In America, taxes are not supposed to be a vehicle for "spreading wealth around". $$$


Actually that statement is not entirely true.

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 2:53pm

<<...he gave out Sam's e-mail address at rallies.>>

NO!! Really??!?

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Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 2:57pm

so even though he goes by Joe (was how he introduced himself)

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Registered: 08-29-2008
Mon, 10-20-2008 - 3:09pm

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