Sad when you try to scare old people

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Sad when you try to scare old people
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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 8:02am

into voting for you ....


Obama's False Medicare Claim

October 20, 2008

Updated: October 21, 2008

He accuses McCain of proposing to cut benefits. Not true.

Summary

In a TV ad and in speeches, Obama is making bogus claims that McCain plans to cut $880 billion from Medicare spending and to reduce benefits.


  • A TV spot says McCain's plan requires "cuts in benefits, eligibility or both."


  • Obama said in a speech that McCain plans "cuts" that would force seniors to "pay more for your drugs, receive fewer services, and get lower quality care."


  • Update, Oct. 21: A second Obama ad claims that McCain’s plan would bring about a 22 percent cut in benefits, “higher premiums and co-pays," and more expensive prescription drugs.
These claims are false, and based on a single newspaper report that says no such thing. McCain's policy director states unequivocally that no benefit cuts are envisioned. McCain does propose substantial "savings" through such means as cutting fraud, increased use of information technology in medicine and better handling of expensive chronic diseases. Obama himself proposes some of the same cost-saving measures. We're skeptical that either candidate can deliver the savings they promise, but that's no basis for Obama to accuse McCain of planning huge benefit cuts.

Analysis

The Obama campaign began the Medicare assault with a 30-second TV ad released Oct. 17, which it said would run "across the country in key states."



Obama-Biden Ad:
"It Gets Worse"

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Announcer: John McCain’s health care plan … first we learned he’s going to tax health care benefits to pay for part of it.

Now the Wall Street Journal reports John McCain would pay for the rest of his health care plan “with major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid.”

Eight hundred and eighty-two billion from Medicare alone. “Requiring cuts in benefits, eligibility, or both.”

John McCain … Taxing Health Benefits … Cutting Medicare. We Can’t Afford John McCain.

Obama: I’m Barack Obama and I approved this message.
The ad quotes the Wall Street Journal as saying McCain would pay for his health care plan with "major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid," which the ad says would total $882 billion from Medicare alone, "requiring cuts in benefits, eligibility, or both."

Obama elaborated on the theme Oct. 18 in a stump speech in St. Louis, Mo., claiming flatly that seniors would face major medical hardships under McCain:

Obama, Oct. 18: But it turns out, Senator McCain would pay for part of his plan by making drastic cuts in Medicare -$882 billion worth. Under his plan, if you count on Medicare, you would have fewer places to get care, and less freedom to choose your doctors. You'll pay more for your drugs, receive fewer services, and get lower quality care.
Update, Oct. 21: A second and even more misleading Obama ad begins: “How will your golden years turn out?” It states flatly that McCain’s plan would mean a 22 percent cut in benefits, higher premiums, higher co-pays, and more expensive prescription drugs, and claims that both nursing home care and a patient’s choice of doctor could be affected.

As the narrator says that McCain's plan "means a 22 percent cut in benefits,”

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Registered: 10-08-2008
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 8:44am
Interesting.
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Registered: 03-19-2003
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 8:47am

sorry thought that copied too ...


factcheck.org actually

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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:03am
I have heard several times that McCain wants to freeze raises on SS checks.
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Registered: 03-19-2003
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:08am
there are transcripts of all the debates ... and I am sure you can find the statement if you look.

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Registered: 10-25-2006
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:12am

Yes, it is bad. Even if Obama's campaign is retaliating for the "terrorist" robocalls and flyers (those couldn't have scared old people, now, could they?) it is wrong to run an ad like that.

I'm disappointed that my candidate has resorted to the same, slimy tactics as McCain's.

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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:13am

Imagine that, a politician cherry-picking information and presenting it in a misleading manner.

~ SW

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Registered: 03-19-2003
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:20am
actually according to factcheck.org -- your candidate started the neg ads first and more often

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Registered: 10-25-2006
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:21am
There are degrees of negativity, and McCain's are far worse. jmho

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Registered: 07-03-2008
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:22am

The Social Security benefits are supposed to increase 5.8% but how much will the Medicare D increase, and the Medicare benefits for Health ins increase? how much of that 5.8% will be eaten up by increases in that? Most of the people doing the whining and bellyaching are far from collecting benefits from Medicare/social security. They really don't care about people who are struggling, they have "all the answers" so they think. Mostly is all a bunch of malarkey.


First, they want to deny abortions, is it because they don't want the Government paying for them, or is it because they feel they have the right to tell other woman what to do when it is a difficult decision between her and God and her Dr's, not a bunch of mostly men sitting on a bench in black robes? Then, they don't want her to get welfare or government assistance when she does keep the child(dosen't abort). Can't have it both ways.


They don't complain about their taxes going to support pre-emptive wars. Would they be willing to pay more tax if it was stated that taxes need to be increased to support war?


I keep reading and hearing the "Socialism" cry, I hope they realize that any job that people have that is being paid for by the taxpayer is their scourging word "socialism"Maybe I don't like my taxes funding wars or funding the idiots we have running our country either!

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Registered: 07-03-2008
Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:27am
Well, I heard a McCain add this morning on the radio that made me want to barf. "I'm Joe the Plumber, I'm Joe the plumber" it goes on to say the rest of the malarkey. Look, I'm sorry, but someone who was a McCain supporter videotaped Joe the Plumber at that ralley. Joe was asked if he would go to that Obama Ralley and ask his question. I'm not naive. Joe the plumber has been used to the hilt.

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