If I asked you........

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Registered: 10-17-2008
If I asked you........
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Fri, 10-24-2008 - 3:08am

Who is the last group of people to say ‘History doesn’t matter.’

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Registered: 10-20-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:01pm

>>> Just as the "right" of this board seems to have bought into the whole Sarah Palin/Todd Palin secession tie...lets just pretend it didn't happen even though Todd's name was still tied to this organization until 2006.

No...not so much. Take a read below and make special note of the passage..."Since its founding, the AIP has radically changed with respect to the issue of secession. At present, it does not support secession." For almost a decade PRIOR to the time Todd Palin was "registered" with the group (but not an active member), the AIP has NOT been a secessionist organization, but a legitimate independent political party.

The Alaskan Independence Party was originally founded with the goal of getting Alaskans a right to vote on their statehood, much the same way Puerto Rico has a vote on its statehood. The AIP charter states: "The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four choices:

1. Remain a Territory.
2. Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3. Accept Commonwealth status.
4. Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences." .

Since its founding, the AIP has radically changed with respect to the issue of secession. At present, it does not support secession, though, at its founding, it did. In 1973 Joe Vogler began arguing about the validity of the Alaskan statehood vote. Early in that year, he began circulating a petition seeking support for secession of Alaska from the United States. Alaska magazine published a piece at that time in which Vogler claimed to have gathered 25,000 signatures in 3 weeks.

Vogler has been quoted as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

During the 1970s, Vogler founded Alaskans for Independence to actively pursue secession for Alaska from the United States. In 1984, he founded the AIP to explore whether the 1958 vote by Alaskans authorizing statehood was legal.

Vogler would serve as the AIP's standard-bearer for most of the party's first two decades. He ran for governor in 1974, with Wayne Peppler as his running mate. Jay Hammond was elected over incumbent governor William Egan, with Vogler trailing far behind. Typical political discussion of the day contended that Vogler was a "spoiler," and that the result would have been different had he not been in the race. However, this campaign opened up the doors for non-major party candidates to run for major offices in Alaska, and generally this accusation is leveled during every election cycle.

Vogler's running mate in 1986 was Al Rowe, a Fairbanks resident and former Alaska State Trooper. Rowe took out a series of newspaper ads, fashioning himself in the image of Sheriff Buford Pusser. These ads were a major attention getter during the race. Between Rowe's ads and the turmoil existing in the Republican Party over the nomination of Arliss Sturgulewski, the AIP gained 5.2 percent of the vote, becoming a recognized party in Alaska for the first time.

Since then, AIP candidates have disapproved of initiating a state-wide vote revisiting the status of Alaskan statehood. In 1990, Walter Joseph Hickel, a former Republican, won the election for governor as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, along with Jack Coghill as his running mate. This was the only time since Alaska joined the union that a third-party candidate has been elected governor. Hickel refused a vote on secession called on by a fringe group within the AIP loyal to Vogler's original vision. He rejoined the Republican Party in 1994, with eight months remaining in his term.

The party did not get involved in presidential elections until 1992, when it endorsed Howard Phillips, the candidate of the U.S. Taxpayers Party (now the Constitution Party). The AIP is listed as an affiliate of the Constitution Party on the latter party's website.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party#Todd_Palin_controversy

>>> Or John McCain and G Gorden Liddy...talk about a "Home Grown Terrorist." Two way street folks....

Liddy wasn't a terrorist...Obama's buddy, Bill Ayres, was.

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Registered: 10-20-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:03pm

>>> We have all done things in our past when we were younger that we are not proud of.

Like domestic terrorism? Shame on Billy...BAD Billy. *sigh*...he was so incorrigible when he was young.

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Registered: 10-20-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:06pm
Hey! He was "just a guy from the neighborhood."
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-20-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:08pm
Wow...scary...
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Registered: 10-20-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:11pm

>>> Oh yes, all those morons from top universities like Columbia, NYU, Rutgers, Brandeis, and so on.

Hmmm...wasn't Ward Churchill a university professor?

>>> Don't know what school(s) your kids go to, but they'd be lucky to go to schools like these.

If they ended up with a wacko-lib teacher, like the morons who signed that petition, I'd be there in a heartbeat to pull them out.

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Registered: 10-23-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:13pm
Thus ensuring the continuation of the old dictum: "Vote Republican, It's Easier Than Thinking?"

Konichiwa, Bitches!
McCain LOST???

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-25-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:14pm
I hope you are considering Bob Jones University for your children. Then you can be sure every idea presented to them has been thoroughly sanitized.
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-23-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:16pm

"Sanitized?"

I think you mean "Hannitized."


Konichiwa, Bitches!
McCain LOST???

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Registered: 08-15-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:21pm

You consider doing research to understand positions you may or may not agree with scary? I guess being a student has warped my brain; I like to do research!

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Registered: 07-03-2008
Fri, 10-24-2008 - 5:23pm

Yeaa, suuure. You are not necessairly a terrorist if you only bomb an abortion clinic or kill a few Dr.s at a planned parenthood clinic!

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